[ClancyJ]

Look, try and get a little objective here. You know full well that every person disagrees with a president, every person voices their concerns.

Yet, when those concerns are voiced as a threat of losing a vote, when those concerns are used to draw people to vote against him, when those concerns are used to join the trash Bush at all costs group - they are hurting the conservative cause and they know it because that is their purpose.

Look at Liberty Post. Any legimate concerns voiced - no - only trash Bush even worse that DU does. They openly admit that they cannot get their conservatism unless the world is "shocked" at how bad things are under a democrat so they help get a democrat elected. How does that help conservatism?

The next time a GOP candidate is in office - the very same will be done because he did not jump when they thought he should. So easy to sit and condemn what others can get done when you have to do nothing but critique.

So - please explain how conservatism is helped by these tactics. Looks to me like they are democrats in disquise. If it looks and acts like a duck - it is a duck.


Now - do you expect me to believe that these are legimate voiced concerns to get the word to President Bush? Baloney. These are to prevent Bush from winning another term and to throw the country into the control of the Democrats.

These "conservatives" do not earn any respect from me. They are working as fast as their fingers can to destroy President Bush and make a "statement", get into arguments to spred their venom and help the Democrat party.

All over the airwaves are people who have complaints against Bush. Any complaints against Kerry? Why are the complaints only against Bush? Now you add it up.

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[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

Look, try and get a little objective here. You know full well that every person disagrees with a president, every person voices their concerns.

Yep, I know that.  And when I express concerns some person or another pops up to tell me that I need to put a sock in it and remain positive.  Here's your exact words on the topic, "It might help matters if there was a little less criticism and more support and help."

I've been off the forum for several months.  Yesterday was one of only a couple of times I've ventured back on the forum recently.  In my comments I said I'd vote for Bush, but I did address some issues I have with him.

I would suggest you gain a little objectivity there fella.  If I'm willing to say I will vote for him, you could at least do me the courtesy of listening to my concerns.

Yet, when those concerns are voiced as a threat of losing a vote, when those concerns are used to draw people to vote against him, when those concerns are used to join the trash Bush at all costs group - they are hurting the conservative cause and they know it because that is their purpose.

I said I'd vote for Bush.  I didn't not urge anyone to vote for anyone else.  I did not trash Bush at all costs.  Therefore I was not hurting the conservative cause and these comments are inappropriate to say the least.

Look at Liberty Post. Any legimate concerns voiced - no - only trash Bush even worse that DU does. They openly admit that they cannot get their conservatism unless the world is "shocked" at how bad things are under a democrat so they help get a democrat elected. How does that help conservatism?

Could you please stick to the comments I made and quit trying to morph this discussion into something it's not.  We're not on Liberty Post, so let's leave that forum to it's own design.

The next time a GOP candidate is in office - the very same will be done because he did not jump when they thought he should. So easy to sit and condemn what others can get done when you have to do nothing but critique.

This is a public forum where people get to express their reasoned views.  I expressed my view and you've chosen to go balistic over it.  You nonsensical comment about "...what others can get done when you have do nothing but critique", is just childish.  By your standard nobody but the office-holder him/herself could discuss an issue.  Is that really what you think?

So - please explain how conservatism is helped by these tactics. Looks to me like they are democrats in disquise. If it looks and acts like a duck - it is a duck.

Let me see, I talked about securing our borders, preventing persons or contraband from being introduced into our nation.  This sounds like a democrat to you?  I'm not talking about what takes place on another forum or even another thread.  You addressed me here and have tried to make it appear I am the proverbial duck.  In the same vein, I'm sure you thought our founding fathers were ducks since they disagreed on a good number of issues, and expressed their views loud and clear.  I'm sure you must think that they should have gotten together, patted each onther on the back and simply agreed to oppose the RedCoats in general.

Now - do you expect me to believe that these are legimate voiced concerns to get the word to President Bush? Baloney. These are to prevent Bush from winning another term and to throw the country into the control of the Democrats.

You addressed my comments and suggested I should refrain from criticizing and voice support instead.  Now that you've been called on it, you're trying to turn the conversation into anything other than it's original intent.  If you wish to talk about Liberty Post and the posters there, please talk to someone else about it.   I am not trying to keep Bush from winning re-election, so your comments about that just don't belong here.  Make them to someone that is.

These "conservatives" do not earn any respect from me. They are working as fast as their fingers can to destroy President Bush and make a "statement", get into arguments to spred their venom and help the Democrat party.

I addressed issues of long standing conservatism.  I did not suggest Bush not run or that another conservative should run.  You would do well to address my comments instead of running off on some imaginary situation that has nothing to do with the reality of our discussion.

All over the airwaves are people who have complaints against Bush. Any complaints against Kerry? Why are the complaints only against Bush? Now you add it up.

My consern is with our borders being secured, contraband being prevented from entering our nation, and the ceasation of immigration from terrorist states.

Please point to one democrat who has advanced any concern for these issues.  There is supposed to be a conservative president in office.  It would seem reasonable to mention that these issues should be a shoe-in for support from a conservative leader.  Evidently that's a foreign concept to you.

I think Kerry ranks right down there with Jane Fonda.  There, I've said it on this thread.  Evidently you think I need to before I can address issues of merit.  I don't.

101 posted on 02/11/2004 9:55:48 AM PST by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)

Look, try and get a little objective here. You know full well that every person disagrees with a president, every person voices their concerns.

Yep, I know that.  And when I express concerns some person or another pops up to tell me that I need to put a sock in it and remain positive.  Here's your exact words on the topic, "It might help matters if there was a little less criticism and more support and help."

I've been off the forum for several months.  Yesterday was one of only a couple of times I've ventured back on the forum recently.  In my comments I said I'd vote for Bush, but I did address some issues I have with him.

I would suggest you gain a little objectivity there fella.  If I'm willing to say I will vote for him, you could at least do me the courtesy of listening to my concerns.

Yet, when those concerns are voiced as a threat of losing a vote, when those concerns are used to draw people to vote against him, when those concerns are used to join the trash Bush at all costs group - they are hurting the conservative cause and they know it because that is their purpose.

I said I'd vote for Bush.  I didn't not urge anyone to vote for anyone else.  I did not trash Bush at all costs.  Therefore I was not hurting the conservative cause and these comments are inappropriate to say the least.

Look at Liberty Post. Any legimate concerns voiced - no - only trash Bush even worse that DU does. They openly admit that they cannot get their conservatism unless the world is "shocked" at how bad things are under a democrat so they help get a democrat elected. How does that help conservatism?

Could you please stick to the comments I made and quit trying to morph this discussion into something it's not.  We're not on Liberty Post, so let's leave that forum to it's own design.

The next time a GOP candidate is in office - the very same will be done because he did not jump when they thought he should. So easy to sit and condemn what others can get done when you have to do nothing but critique.

This is a public forum where people get to express their reasoned views.  I expressed my view and you've chosen to go balistic over it.  You nonsensical comment about "...what others can get done when you have do nothing but critique", is just childish.  By your standard nobody but the office-holder him/herself could discuss an issue.  Is that really what you think?

So - please explain how conservatism is helped by these tactics. Looks to me like they are democrats in disquise. If it looks and acts like a duck - it is a duck.

Let me see, I talked about securing our borders, preventing persons or contraband from being introduced into our nation.  This sounds like a democrat to you?  I'm not talking about what takes place on another forum or even another thread.  You addressed me here and have tried to make it appear I am the proverbial duck.  In the same vein, I'm sure you thought our founding fathers were ducks since they disagreed on a good number of issues, and expressed their views loud and clear.  I'm sure you must think that they should have gotten together, patted each onther on the back and simply agreed to oppose the RedCoats in general.

Now - do you expect me to believe that these are legimate voiced concerns to get the word to President Bush? Baloney. These are to prevent Bush from winning another term and to throw the country into the control of the Democrats.

You addressed my comments and suggested I should refrain from criticizing and voice support instead.  Now that you've been called on it, you're trying to turn the conversation into anything other than it's original intent.  If you wish to talk about Liberty Post and the posters there, please talk to someone else about it.   I am not trying to keep Bush from winning re-election, so your comments about that just don't belong here.  Make them to someone that is.

These "conservatives" do not earn any respect from me. They are working as fast as their fingers can to destroy President Bush and make a "statement", get into arguments to spred their venom and help the Democrat party.

I addressed issues of long standing conservatism.  I did not suggest Bush not run or that another conservative should run.  You would do well to address my comments instead of running off on some imaginary situation that has nothing to do with the reality of our discussion.

All over the airwaves are people who have complaints against Bush. Any complaints against Kerry? Why are the complaints only against Bush? Now you add it up.

My consern is with our borders being secured, contraband being prevented from entering our nation, and the ceasation of immigration from terrorist states.

Please point to one democrat who has advanced any concern for these issues.  There is supposed to be a conservative president in office.  It would seem reasonable to mention that these issues should be a shoe-in for support from a conservative leader.  Evidently that's a foreign concept to you.

I think Kerry ranks right down there with Jane Fonda.  There, I've said it on this thread.  Evidently you think I need to before I can address issues of merit.  I don't.