Posted on 02/07/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by Nix 2
Gotta tell you something, people. Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None. Interest rates have not gone up. The Medicare reform bill has the rats climbing the wall because it is the first step towards its OWN slow death. Even G-d kept the Jews wandering in the wilderness until the whole generations of them that knew slavery were dead. So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. It took the dems a gazillion years to try to make everyone in the USA a slave to government and take over US healthcare bit by bit. This year it would have been fully government run if Gore had made it to Pennsylvania Avenue. Bush is unraveling their dream of the world under Marx.
Are you watching the teachers' union howling at the moon? They can't teach, so they blame the kids for not being able to learn. Bush gave them their chance. They are blowing it big-time. The more they try and steal our kids, the harder we fight, and the more they scream. But it will have its end and it will be under a Bush presidency. We need good minds to have better goals. No one knows that better than he does. The dems are freaking out over *No Child Left behind* because if a teacher can't teach, he/she has got to go. The dems would protect these stupid, moneygrubbers at any cost including the cost of your children's education.
Privatization of ALL healthcare is paramount if we are to maintain the best healthcare system in the world. The dems have run doctors out of practice, turned insurance companies into beancounters, claimed that pharmaceutical companies, which have given us virtually many more years to live, vile, filthy creatures who stalk the weak and the poor. Now, the first step back towards freedom is being looked at and whined about as if you so-called conservatives were personally wounded and the bleeding will never stop. The truly wounded are the democrats who see their phoney, dark, delusional world exposed to the unforgiving light of the truth. They are losing...but will you give credit? This is too pathetic. Do you let others do your thinking now?
What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty? Is it not a fact that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down? And is it not further fact that Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs because SOMEBODY believes that we have better brains and can learn better skills to come up with better ideas, instead of having the sugah-daddy dems giving everyone handouts and more unemployment compensation so they WOULDN'T go back to work. Don't you realize that only prolonged the recovery, not helped it, or me, or you? Do you realize that maybe, just maybe, some of the jobs illegals take right now will henceforth be open to our American teenagers who lost them to 40 and 50 year old illegals flipping burgers, training jobs, entry level jobs, jobs that taught our kids what it meant to have a work ethic and some responsibilty so they can stop expecting us to spoil them half to death. If they want a $150.00 pair of silly shoes, let them but them themselves. If they want a car, a little hard work never hurt anyone. Or has it truly escaped you that Americans First means young Americans as well? THIS takes a generation as well but like liberals everywhere, yesterday seems to be much too late. Well, where were you when all these things were building up? I asked someone a few years ago, right here on this board. He said "Sure, I think about it, but...I have a family and can't afford to do the right thing.
Now, Bush does the right thing, depriving no one of anything, and the crocodile tears are starting to make Conservatives look more and more like the libs with their hands constantly extended.
Are you stopping in your misplaced anger at President Bush to realize that terrorists damaged us in an excruciating way, but if Gore, or any of his ilk would have been president, they would have seized on that moment to finalize their control over us in ways that should make you thank the Lord for Bush. Gun control would be a gun ban period. We would probably be under martial law, our government would be gone, and our soldiers would be patroling OUR streets while Bin Laden was enjoying French hospitality. The Islamist State Department would be busily going about installing some form of sharia law by now. Do you want to be Canada? Then go the hell there and stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you ain't.
If you were truly conservatives, you would be stopping to think about the freedom you DIDN'T lose. We are at war. They aren't here, WE are there. You would realize that fully one fourth of the US was on fire almost at the same time. We've had megafloods. The Clinton Administration cooked the Stockmarket books to give the illusion of prosperity. Bush has unraveled the tangled yarn and then some. Do you think that was cheap? Do you realize that President Bush rolled back many of the insane enviroweenie laws that caused all that, and because of it, logging can happen again. Oil drilling can begin again. Care will be taken to stop the kind of corrupt and corrupted opposing environmental laws that did nothing to help the environment, but it sure helped to line the pockets of the UN believers of the world and their science of unreality and fishy fantasy.
Are you so nonsatisfiable that you don't realize that the man from Texas stood and faced down the UN so that they can't even get a paragraph ratified because he has them running in circles and has not much to do with the terrorists and crooks who run the damb place.
We have a good man as President. He will be even better with a bigger majority in the House and Senate. Anyone else who is, or might run, will NEVER be able to accomplish what Bush has already accomplished, and he isn't done yet...and there is NO SUCH THING as instant gratification. All that leads to his horrors down the road...like Medicare was before this reform.
Let me define the "Big Picture" is clear and concise terms:
The "Big Picture" projected is the GOP's "pragmatic" incremental surrendering of principled conservatism to liberal-centrist policies implimented soley to pander to a "new" floating constituency.
*Affixing tin-foil hat*
A mere 2% of Freepers said they would vote for Kerry at FR's poll...
Do you imagine that all those who would still indeed vote for Dubya haven't a big beef with the President's policies?
Many of us (HELLO!) are conservative first, and vote GOP when and if conservatism is being served constitutionally and adequately...
The verdict is still not a foregone conclusion.
And you're here to tell us Dubya is actually DOING something positive about illegal immigration? Fact is, he's tossed kerosene on the fire. Gimme a freakin' break...
"Now any one of you who threaten to withold, withdraw, vote third party, and lead this country down the path of Socialism from which there will be no return, I am not sorry to tell you that you are NOT conservatives, you are homewreckers, country wreckers...but NOT Conservatives."
Nice rant, but rubber-stamp your own @ss if you must. The rest of us will retain the right to assess oue own evidence, and vote with our own conscience without listening to some faux-conservative with a bull-horn.
FYI, the direction the country's taking is already towards a sign-post that reads, 'SOCIALISM THIS WAY'...
But hey, if that's what helps win an election.
Yeah, I feel like I won the lottery.
Gosh almighty! You are the ones who have been doing most of the backbiting and bashing on this thread. It's a worn out tactic used by many of the Buchannan, *all-American* losers to twist and shred the truth as much as they can to TRY and make it SOUND conservative, but we all know what a sell out he was.
A crude and clumsy lie, mixed with cowardly innuendo unbacked by facts.
Incidentally, it was the fringe left that he sold out to and it makes me sick to see how he still clings to the *conservative* title, as if by wielding it like a weapon, one can intimidate someone with it, or fool some of the people all of the time...though I consider THOSE people beyond redemption.
Nonsequiter.
So if THAT brand of fine, upstanding conservatisim is riding in with several of you posters on this thread, you lose every which way you turn.
Strawman. More cowardly innuendo.
This is the Premiere Conservative Website because at some point, we all had one common enemy, Bill Clinton. Now any one of you who threaten to withold, withdraw, vote third party, and lead this country down the path of Socialism from which there will be no return, I am not sorry to tell you that you are NOT conservatives, you are homewreckers, country wreckers...but NOT Conservatives. You will not achieve one single of your stated objectives with those tactics.
Strawman.
You want to b*tch? Tell it to the Democrats that have led us down this obscene path for over half a century.
They don't listen. We just work to throw them from office. Much more effective.
Complain about illegals from Mexico all you like.
Thank you for your gracious permission to exercise our God-given liberty to dissent, and to make our dissatisfaction with porous borders and an eroding American civilization known.
It was liberals who allowed it to become a wild thing, so out of control that you can't see that ONE small step in trying to solve it is more than any dem has ever done, anywhere, any time.
Strawman on top of twisted logic. Funny that you can turn an attack on RATs into an attack on conservatives in the short space of one sentence.
It was the democrats who threw money at them hand over fist, liberals who decided that biligual education was the way to go. Liberals who set up safehouses for illegals and demonstrated in sympathy for them. Liberals who decided they deserved free health care even if there were fifty of them in one family. Do you blame them for trying to get here with an open invitation, written on OUR money, signed, sealed, and delivered by the hard core left for votes to keep power as more and more people were weeding them out?
And your point is?
Why aren't you screaming blue murder at the NAACP for refusing to admit that black people are not a monolith and don't want to be remanded to ghetto life just to stay stupid and elect Communists.
As I told you before, they don't listen. We choose to work every day to remove them from power.
But BLAME BUSH for ALL of it.
Strawman. An invention of your imagination.
It only started three years ago, right? Dips.
Ad hominem, with no basis in fact, or precedent in this conversation. You see boogeymen where they don't exist.
You don't want gun control. I don't either. The agreement stops there.
Huh?
Gun control could NEVER have happened if we hadn't fallen asleep at the wheel; if we hadn't allowed a FEW to speak so loudly against the many. THAT is something we have to fight for. But as long as these third party critters vote on one vote, no gun law fantasies, and RINOs like Specter with his magic bullet theory are prevalent in our Capitol, this is a fight we will never win. As I previously stated, Bush's Justice Department has taken up the issue of the Second Amendment as it was so written into the Constitution. NO administration has ever done that. But Laz will keep playing with fluffy clouds and there will be no willingness to help the fight for REAL judges who KEEP the law, not make it. Bush cannot do this all alone, but he is trying, and I don't hear even a hint of good will for him because of it. And Laz, I never said STFU and take it. I don't.
That was the whiplash part for me. But I'll pick out one tiny bit of that mishmash: I was helping organize over 70 conservative organizations to go to the Senate and hold news conferences to support the President's judicial nominees. What were you doing?
Why aren't you just as up in arms about Canada, vis-a-vis Mexico, for seeding our cattle herds with diseased cows, in a deliberate, malicious attempt to destroy our beef production which would ultimately cost us much more severely on the world market, therefore here at home, trying to force us into third world status along with France and their buds at the UN?
That's just plain crazy.
Canada is the same country which refuses to pay market prices for pharmaceuticals, taxes their inhabitants for healthcare they never receive, and then sell underpriced drugs back into this country cheaper than their own citizens can buy them for, after they have already paid through the nose for them...and end up with megashortages so that Canadians have to come here, ACROSS an unguarded border, to buy what they need. ('Scuse the run-on sentence. It's a thing when I'm in a hurry.)
Nonsequiter.
Canada is the same country that has no compunction against allowing terrorists into the country regardless of their status. Their network runs hard and fast through the US like a plague, but I don't hear you moaning and b*tching about the fact that major terrorist efforts have been stopped by the Border Patrol at the CANADIAN Border, not Mexico's. Canada helps the suckers. Where is the outrage, folks?
Hard to do that when it hasn't even been discussed, and hardly seems pertinent to the conversation.
Some *poster* said something about Enron. For gosh sakes, kiddo! That was Terry (the Sleeze) McCauliffe and Billy Jeff. Why are you trying to pin THAT on Bush? Sour grapes and not too smart.
I guess I missed that. Didn't really think much of this thread was about the President at all, frankly. I think your ranting about those who are somehow railing on the President is nothing but a red herring.
There used to be some good brains on this board. This thread shows some of that, but these *poor victim conservative* posts are ridiculous.
Conservatives don't tend to be victims, or pacifists.
The DEFICITS will go down because more money will be made, more taxes will be paid, at lower rates that even today, and you will probably still be doing Marxist Economy 101 trying to prove it is all smoke and mirrors. Billy Jeff was all smoke and mirrors. Allegiences to that kind of thinking is what got us there in the last recession. Tax, tax, and swear you don't have a spare penny in the budget while billions of dollars are stolen from under our noses by the Clinton Administration, not to mention the destruction of most of our infrastructure and the sell-off of public lands, bribes to the BIA and DOI, the Commerce Department, inside the WhiteHouse and in every bureauracy in the nation, murders, Arkancides, drugs, terrorist coddling, oil stealing. Still no hint of gratitude for having a President who had all that and more to contend with upon taking his oath of office, not to mention a fit of orgiastic destruction in the White House and Air Force One. You guys forget quickly don't you?
*sigh*
And now, I guess you will tell me how I am just all set on dividing Conservatives.
You seem to be all set on dividing conservatives.
Go right ahead, but you don't believe it, because it's a lie and you darn well know it.
Au contraire.
I will fight as hard as I can to get conservatives elected.
A ray of sunshine in the midst of a very cloudy day.
= Buchannan ain't one of them. The ditz from the Libertarian party ain't one of them...
Nonsequiter and a cynical attempt to smear.
...and as much as I like Roy Moore, I hope he has better sense that to throw monkey wrenches into gears that might soon grind smoothly, but exceedingly slow.
We find a point of agreement and clarity.
Actually, I'd like to see Nader run again.
Again, agreement...Hallelujah!
Take some of the Arab vote away from the dumbocrats.
I was thinking more of the extreme left vote, but okay.
But I'm sure they will get ALL of the Communist Vote. After all, Hanoi is backing Kerry. He allowed them to keep our POW/MIAs and closed the book on them.
Possible.
Anyone who threatens to withold a *conservative* vote, is voting for a cheap, aristocratic spoiled brat of a gigolo, Hanoi Jane, and against the USA. Period. To me, that is NO conservative.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But the spirit in which you opine has an impact on how many do.
By the way, the organizations that I am associated with actively work EVERY election cycle to elect more conservative blacks and minorities, and to defeat the race pimps of the CBC and the NAACP.
Let's see your credentials on this subject.
Our conversation is over.
Make up your mind. Bye.
No, I won't vote the way you demand, so give it up.
No. I didn't say that all. Though senators like Frank Church damaged the CIA, its the Presidents job to enforce the laws. Clintons inaction after the terriorist attacks during his reign motivated the terriorist who struck on 9-11.
My problem with the mentioned republicans are on domestic issues like immigration and the death penalty.
Far too many find more value in "money now" vs. "money in the future." I was raised by savers, who lived modestly even when my dad was making six figures during the 1970s. Ironically, we managed to find pleasure in simple things, and always had more than enough money for the important things.
Then again, they were raised by savers, too, so much so that in their early 90s, there was still plenty of money left to pay a full time nurse $1,000 a week for a year and a half, with almost a half million left over when Grandma finally went home to God.
My best memories are not the expensive gifts I received, the jewelry, the weekend jaunts. My best memories are fishing in Grandpa's rickety old boat and eating peanut butter and homemade jelly sandwiches, taking old, garbage picked furniture and cleaning it up with my mother, helping my father turn a discarded tube television into a functional unit.
As for "having it today," when VCRs came out, they were nearly $1,000. We bought ours when it was $150.00. Same for computers. Same for a bunch of other things. Odd, is it not, that we managed to live without them until they came down in price.
My kids have the same "enjoy the simple things" philosophy, too. I can spend boatloads a money on expensive presents for them. What do they want to play with?
The box.
This is a must read for President Bush and Carl Rove.
BTW. Lets not gloss over the fact that you started the bashing in your so-called editorial refering to some freepers as "demons".
I see that you do not allow facts to get in the way of your feelings. That's an admirable quality. I wonder, though, if your 'time value of money' function is flat and at zero, whether you would be consistent in that by loaning out your own funds at a zero interest rate. If you don't care whether your money arrives now, or five years from now, then you should be willing to make zero-interest loans. Are you?
I have acquaintances in the neighborhood who were not good stewards of their money. They borrowed against the future to buy things for the now. Well, R. has been unemployed for two years and their funds are gone, their investments are gone, and their house will probably be gone next month due to foreclosure. You'd better believe they regret some of the purchases they made on credit, and the interest on those debts that they could have put into the bank or some other investment.
Pre 9-11, friends of our drew thousands against the equity in their home to invest in the stock market, hoping for a greater return on their investment. Unfortunately, they lost the majority of it. Presuming a continued market recovery, they will eventually make it back and hopefully earn enough interest over the life of their investment to realize a sizable difference. Hopefully.
As for zero interest rate, yes, I would be willing. Twice, over the last year, I offered two struggling friends money to pay their mortgage payment, at zero interest. We have the cash on hand, they did not. I certainly did not want to see them lose the investment they had made into their homes, several years worth of mortgage payments gone. They didn't take us up on the offer and managed to squeak by, but were grateful for it. The offer still stands.
As I stated in my original post, but you failed to address in your replies, there are definitely times when incurring debt is a necessity, even a benefit. For some inexplicable reason, you seem to suggest that being a good steward of my money is unreasonable, that borrowing against the future I may never live to see and saddling my family with the debt is the better alternative.
Nope. I'll take the road less traveled, the one that allowed me to buy my house without asking my "family" to help with the downpayment, the 20 year note instead of the 30 year note, the one that gives me a 780 credit rating, the one that leaves thousands in my retirement account, the one that gives us plenty of cushioning if my husband and I are suddenly unemployed, ill, incapacitated, or deceased. Given my health considerations over the last two years, there is every reason to believe I will not develop an appreciation for the "time value of money" because I will not be alive to see it.
But if it makes you feel better to suggest that this is my "feelings" talking, go right ahead.
Your problem? You don't have a clue how big the 'Alan Keyes wing' of the GOP is.
I do.
If you are not being utterly disingenous, and really do care about the future success of the Republican party, you would be well-advised to not help create a day when the GOP lacks that wing.
That would be tragic day for our free republic.
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