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Vanity | Feb. 11, 2004 | Nix Two

Posted on 02/07/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by Nix 2

Gotta tell you something, people. Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None. Interest rates have not gone up. The Medicare reform bill has the rats climbing the wall because it is the first step towards its OWN slow death. Even G-d kept the Jews wandering in the wilderness until the whole generations of them that knew slavery were dead. So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. It took the dems a gazillion years to try to make everyone in the USA a slave to government and take over US healthcare bit by bit. This year it would have been fully government run if Gore had made it to Pennsylvania Avenue. Bush is unraveling their dream of the world under Marx.

Are you watching the teachers' union howling at the moon? They can't teach, so they blame the kids for not being able to learn. Bush gave them their chance. They are blowing it big-time. The more they try and steal our kids, the harder we fight, and the more they scream. But it will have its end and it will be under a Bush presidency. We need good minds to have better goals. No one knows that better than he does. The dems are freaking out over *No Child Left behind* because if a teacher can't teach, he/she has got to go. The dems would protect these stupid, moneygrubbers at any cost including the cost of your children's education.

Privatization of ALL healthcare is paramount if we are to maintain the best healthcare system in the world. The dems have run doctors out of practice, turned insurance companies into beancounters, claimed that pharmaceutical companies, which have given us virtually many more years to live, vile, filthy creatures who stalk the weak and the poor. Now, the first step back towards freedom is being looked at and whined about as if you so-called conservatives were personally wounded and the bleeding will never stop. The truly wounded are the democrats who see their phoney, dark, delusional world exposed to the unforgiving light of the truth. They are losing...but will you give credit? This is too pathetic. Do you let others do your thinking now?

What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty? Is it not a fact that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down? And is it not further fact that Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs because SOMEBODY believes that we have better brains and can learn better skills to come up with better ideas, instead of having the sugah-daddy dems giving everyone handouts and more unemployment compensation so they WOULDN'T go back to work. Don't you realize that only prolonged the recovery, not helped it, or me, or you? Do you realize that maybe, just maybe, some of the jobs illegals take right now will henceforth be open to our American teenagers who lost them to 40 and 50 year old illegals flipping burgers, training jobs, entry level jobs, jobs that taught our kids what it meant to have a work ethic and some responsibilty so they can stop expecting us to spoil them half to death. If they want a $150.00 pair of silly shoes, let them but them themselves. If they want a car, a little hard work never hurt anyone. Or has it truly escaped you that Americans First means young Americans as well? THIS takes a generation as well but like liberals everywhere, yesterday seems to be much too late. Well, where were you when all these things were building up? I asked someone a few years ago, right here on this board. He said "Sure, I think about it, but...I have a family and can't afford to do the right thing.

Now, Bush does the right thing, depriving no one of anything, and the crocodile tears are starting to make Conservatives look more and more like the libs with their hands constantly extended.

Are you stopping in your misplaced anger at President Bush to realize that terrorists damaged us in an excruciating way, but if Gore, or any of his ilk would have been president, they would have seized on that moment to finalize their control over us in ways that should make you thank the Lord for Bush. Gun control would be a gun ban period. We would probably be under martial law, our government would be gone, and our soldiers would be patroling OUR streets while Bin Laden was enjoying French hospitality. The Islamist State Department would be busily going about installing some form of sharia law by now. Do you want to be Canada? Then go the hell there and stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you ain't.

If you were truly conservatives, you would be stopping to think about the freedom you DIDN'T lose. We are at war. They aren't here, WE are there. You would realize that fully one fourth of the US was on fire almost at the same time. We've had megafloods. The Clinton Administration cooked the Stockmarket books to give the illusion of prosperity. Bush has unraveled the tangled yarn and then some. Do you think that was cheap? Do you realize that President Bush rolled back many of the insane enviroweenie laws that caused all that, and because of it, logging can happen again. Oil drilling can begin again. Care will be taken to stop the kind of corrupt and corrupted opposing environmental laws that did nothing to help the environment, but it sure helped to line the pockets of the UN believers of the world and their science of unreality and fishy fantasy.

Are you so nonsatisfiable that you don't realize that the man from Texas stood and faced down the UN so that they can't even get a paragraph ratified because he has them running in circles and has not much to do with the terrorists and crooks who run the damb place.

We have a good man as President. He will be even better with a bigger majority in the House and Senate. Anyone else who is, or might run, will NEVER be able to accomplish what Bush has already accomplished, and he isn't done yet...and there is NO SUCH THING as instant gratification. All that leads to his horrors down the road...like Medicare was before this reform.



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: deficit; democrats; fauxconservative; fuzzylogic; illegals; jobs; kyoto; medicare; navelinthinker; pathetic
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To: PhiKapMom; Wolfstar
PKM and Wolfstar....Bookmark this post, and add it to "Conservative Voices." (You know what I mean. ;-)
761 posted on 02/08/2004 2:39:26 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: My2Cents
Oh, you keeping a list?

Might want to note that 99% of the posters on this thread are Bush supporters.
762 posted on 02/08/2004 2:40:36 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Might want to note that 99% of the posters on this thread are Bush supporters.

For better or worse, most who had the audicity to disagree have been sent packing.

763 posted on 02/08/2004 2:42:31 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Nix 2
I don't blame President Bush for all the bad things government does, or has done.
President Bush has done many things I approve of. He has also done some things I disapprove of.
I would expect the same thing can be said of any President of the United States in any generation.

The thing that gets me is that it is getting harder and harder to tell any difference between the two major partys. Not neccesarily the candidates, but the partys.
The only difference I see at the moment is that the Dems would treat terrorism as a crime and wait for it to happen on our shores and the Repubs would go after it on terrorists home ground.
That is the ONLY reason I will vote Repub this election year.

764 posted on 02/08/2004 2:43:31 PM PST by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: joesbucks
Well, I haven't worn my welcome out yet, it would seem.

But it is getting frustrating seeing the conservative-bashing that is going on. Pretty strange phenomenon for the premiere conservative site on the web.
765 posted on 02/08/2004 2:45:14 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: John Jorsett
You originally said: "At some point taxes will have to go up"

Anybody who makes that kind of statement is not a conservative. At no time are taxes the answer; and especially they are not the answer when we are just recovering from a hit like we've had in the last 3 years (in a recession, 9-11, company corruption, war in Iraq).

When you cut taxes, REVENUES INCREASE .. it's econ 101, and a proven fact. If revenues increase THE DEFICIT DECREASES. That's why you DON'T HAVE TO INCREASE TAXES.

And .. don't be getting uppity with me about what you've been doing; you have no idea what I've been doing so your statement is rude and uncalled for.
766 posted on 02/08/2004 2:51:16 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: EternalVigilance
"If you want to hide something from a liberal, hide it inside a truthful statement."

Mosts liberal don't want to be bothered with the facts. They just want to feeeeeel good.

Problem is that conservatives think for themselves and are independent minded unlike the tribal mentality of the left. This is why we agrue amongest ourselves so much. I guess its just in our nature.

IMHO, some elements of the republican party has drifted to the left. Hopefully those of us concerned about this can tether it down and keep the democrats out of power at the same time.

767 posted on 02/08/2004 3:03:03 PM PST by Missouri
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To: joesbucks
The only time deficits and interest rates were a problem (that I know of), was when Bush I was President. The fed reserve continued to raise the rates, while the deficit was high. You will notice they have not done that this time.

Interest rates should only go up to stem inflation .. we don't have inflation. The only splat is going to be when the democrats falsehoods hit them in the face on election day.
768 posted on 02/08/2004 3:11:44 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: CyberAnt
Sorry that I didn't flesh out my entire viewpoint on the issue for you from the very beginning, but I'm not writing a monograph each time I post. What's interesting is that I actually state an agreement with you and you're still pissed off. I can see that any mention of taxes is some sort of trigger that just results in an emotional response, so I'll avoid continuing damage to your blood pressure by not talking about it further.

The definition of what "a conservative" does or does not believe isn't your call. I doubt any two people on FR would come up with the same set of positions for "a conservative" to have. But if you want, hurl some insults like RINO (I'm not registered as a Republican so that wouldn't fit anyway) my way if it'll make you feel better.

769 posted on 02/08/2004 3:14:14 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: Missouri
Hopefully those of us concerned about this can tether it down and keep the democrats out of power at the same time.

That's the job that is facing us in a nutshell.

Well said.

770 posted on 02/08/2004 3:15:43 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
That's the job that is facing us in a nutshell.

A lot of battles to be fought in the Senate and House. They are the ones who write the laws and pay the bills. Just think if we could elect real conservatives instead of McCains, Cannons, or Ryans.

771 posted on 02/08/2004 3:36:51 PM PST by Missouri
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To: iconoclast
Excuse me .. there was no reason to be a smartalec about it. Of course the war ended .. THE WAR ON TERROR HAS NOT ENDED. So .. what is your point ..??

Since I'm not the President and I don't have any control over govt spending .. the only thing I do is complain to my congressman. The rest is up to him and the President. To even ask me if I see an end to the growth .. what is the point of that question ..??
772 posted on 02/08/2004 3:39:55 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Doe Eyes
"Yeah, that's the story, even though the Republicans control the House, Senate and the Presidency, its the Democrats fault. Thank you."

You are right. There is no such thing as "Conservatives" anymore in government, it's all been a big sham and we all continue to believe this BS. Going to vote for Kerry?

773 posted on 02/08/2004 4:00:00 PM PST by Normal4me
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To: Neets

774 posted on 02/08/2004 4:51:22 PM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: EternalVigilance
"remember this: the vast majority of FReepers, while supporting the President's reelection, also disagree with many of his domestic politicies: immigration, spending, education, CFR, the AWB, etc."

I'm certain that you will have a source for that assertion. I'm certain that you aren't "painting with a broadbrush".

775 posted on 02/08/2004 5:04:29 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: John Jorsett
Now you're being condescending and patronizing. I never was mad. If anybody's mad it's you. You can think anything you want. And .. if you're not registered as a repub, why would I even think you're a conservative. The only reason people don't register as repub is because they don't agree with the "conservative" message. You can admit it. It doesn't matter to me.

Our conversation is over.
776 posted on 02/08/2004 5:05:44 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Normal4me
Going to vote for Kerry?

Can't do it, though there is something to be said for gridlock.

777 posted on 02/08/2004 5:12:35 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: FairOpinion
The original post sucked big time.
778 posted on 02/08/2004 5:26:00 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: Missouri
They are the ones who write the laws and pay the bills. Just think if we could elect real conservatives instead of McCains, Cannons, or Ryans.

So what you are saying is that the Republican congress is just as responsible for 911 as Clintoon since they would have wrote the laws that would have protected us and allocated the $$ to pay for it?

779 posted on 02/08/2004 5:31:17 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: My2Cents
I've got my own version of a "list."

Santa's been checking his list to see who's been naughty and nice. He's checking his list and crossing it twice.

780 posted on 02/08/2004 5:33:22 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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