Message to ?Conservatives

Vanity | Feb. 11, 2004 | Nix Two

[Nix 2]

Gotta tell you something, people. Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None. Interest rates have not gone up. The Medicare reform bill has the rats climbing the wall because it is the first step towards its OWN slow death. Even G-d kept the Jews wandering in the wilderness until the whole generations of them that knew slavery were dead. So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. It took the dems a gazillion years to try to make everyone in the USA a slave to government and take over US healthcare bit by bit. This year it would have been fully government run if Gore had made it to Pennsylvania Avenue. Bush is unraveling their dream of the world under Marx.

Are you watching the teachers' union howling at the moon? They can't teach, so they blame the kids for not being able to learn. Bush gave them their chance. They are blowing it big-time. The more they try and steal our kids, the harder we fight, and the more they scream. But it will have its end and it will be under a Bush presidency. We need good minds to have better goals. No one knows that better than he does. The dems are freaking out over *No Child Left behind* because if a teacher can't teach, he/she has got to go. The dems would protect these stupid, moneygrubbers at any cost including the cost of your children's education.

Privatization of ALL healthcare is paramount if we are to maintain the best healthcare system in the world. The dems have run doctors out of practice, turned insurance companies into beancounters, claimed that pharmaceutical companies, which have given us virtually many more years to live, vile, filthy creatures who stalk the weak and the poor. Now, the first step back towards freedom is being looked at and whined about as if you so-called conservatives were personally wounded and the bleeding will never stop. The truly wounded are the democrats who see their phoney, dark, delusional world exposed to the unforgiving light of the truth. They are losing...but will you give credit? This is too pathetic. Do you let others do your thinking now?

What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty? Is it not a fact that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down? And is it not further fact that Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs because SOMEBODY believes that we have better brains and can learn better skills to come up with better ideas, instead of having the sugah-daddy dems giving everyone handouts and more unemployment compensation so they WOULDN'T go back to work. Don't you realize that only prolonged the recovery, not helped it, or me, or you? Do you realize that maybe, just maybe, some of the jobs illegals take right now will henceforth be open to our American teenagers who lost them to 40 and 50 year old illegals flipping burgers, training jobs, entry level jobs, jobs that taught our kids what it meant to have a work ethic and some responsibilty so they can stop expecting us to spoil them half to death. If they want a $150.00 pair of silly shoes, let them but them themselves. If they want a car, a little hard work never hurt anyone. Or has it truly escaped you that Americans First means young Americans as well? THIS takes a generation as well but like liberals everywhere, yesterday seems to be much too late. Well, where were you when all these things were building up? I asked someone a few years ago, right here on this board. He said "Sure, I think about it, but...I have a family and can't afford to do the right thing.

Now, Bush does the right thing, depriving no one of anything, and the crocodile tears are starting to make Conservatives look more and more like the libs with their hands constantly extended.

Are you stopping in your misplaced anger at President Bush to realize that terrorists damaged us in an excruciating way, but if Gore, or any of his ilk would have been president, they would have seized on that moment to finalize their control over us in ways that should make you thank the Lord for Bush. Gun control would be a gun ban period. We would probably be under martial law, our government would be gone, and our soldiers would be patroling OUR streets while Bin Laden was enjoying French hospitality. The Islamist State Department would be busily going about installing some form of sharia law by now. Do you want to be Canada? Then go the hell there and stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you ain't.

If you were truly conservatives, you would be stopping to think about the freedom you DIDN'T lose. We are at war. They aren't here, WE are there. You would realize that fully one fourth of the US was on fire almost at the same time. We've had megafloods. The Clinton Administration cooked the Stockmarket books to give the illusion of prosperity. Bush has unraveled the tangled yarn and then some. Do you think that was cheap? Do you realize that President Bush rolled back many of the insane enviroweenie laws that caused all that, and because of it, logging can happen again. Oil drilling can begin again. Care will be taken to stop the kind of corrupt and corrupted opposing environmental laws that did nothing to help the environment, but it sure helped to line the pockets of the UN believers of the world and their science of unreality and fishy fantasy.

Are you so nonsatisfiable that you don't realize that the man from Texas stood and faced down the UN so that they can't even get a paragraph ratified because he has them running in circles and has not much to do with the terrorists and crooks who run the damb place.

We have a good man as President. He will be even better with a bigger majority in the House and Senate. Anyone else who is, or might run, will NEVER be able to accomplish what Bush has already accomplished, and he isn't done yet...and there is NO SUCH THING as instant gratification. All that leads to his horrors down the road...like Medicare was before this reform.

[EternalVigilance]

EV you got your head handed to you on this thread. Better luck next time.

Hardly.

[EternalVigilance]

No, she was rebuked by a mod on this thread for that statement.

[Texasforever]

Hardly.

You are starting to sound like the Monty Python Black Knight.

[Jorge]

You're one of FR's resident liberals. Talk about entertainment value. That's the only reason you're kept around, you do know that, don't you?

ROFL! Me a liberal?

I am one of the most conservative pro-Bush Republicans you will EVER meet on this board.

You don' have a clue as to who you're talking to.

Now I understand why other posters advised me not to waste my time responding to you. Your dishonesty is astounding.

[EternalVigilance]

To: nopardons
If we ever gave you that opinion, that wasn't the our intention. Please do not act as an authorized moderator.
291 posted on 02/07/2004 11:40:39 PM EST by Admin Moderator

[EternalVigilance]

Okay. That's why I asked if you were the same guy.

My apologies if you aren't one of the resident purveyors of the homosexual agenda.

But you are still being dishonest about our earlier exchange. I would post it again, but that is fruitless. You don't debate honestly.

[Jorge]

I haven't liked you since the first time I encountered you on FR...because you were advocating for the homosexual agenda.

I am one of the most ANTI-HOMOSEXUAL agenda posters you will ever meet on FR.

I have ALWAYS been opposed to the "Gay Christian" agenda and can guarantee you I am far more educated in the arguments countering the gay agenda than you will EVER have time to be in your life.

You are so busy flailing out at anyone who dares disagree with you on a single issue, that you NEVER learn where they actually stand on the issues.

[EternalVigilance]

I remembered wrong. I apologized. Accept it or don't.

[TomasUSMC]

Good Post - Nix 2
Nevertheless....
Some people ask US, what difference has THE DEFICIT made in any of your lives?
Are we supposed to be only able to think about today and not the future? ....We must think about the future.

That is why we conservatives dislike a half trillion dollar deficit, and the President has heard US.

That is why he says he will try to cut the deficit in half over the next 5 years.

Did 911 kill any of my brothers or sisters? Did I suffer any physical harm? No. Am I then to consider it something unimportant because it did not affect my life directly? No. We need to think ahead and we conservatives are doing just that.

So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. And we have a 500 BILLION dollar deficit in one year.

We need good minds, but will it be under a Bush presidency? Not likely. When you add the children of 10 million illegals to the schools, many who don't speak English, our schools will suffer. Additionally, with support by the president for NAFTA, more manufacturing jobs and companies will head out of this country, drying up money for schools.

The President also supports taking more jobs from American engineers by pushing for H1B visas which are more than 60,000 Hitech jobs EVERY year. Then there is the outsourcing which is hitting private sector employment.

And what about the retraining. We are talking about engineers here. Do you mean retraining them to flip burgers? And of course why retrain if you can just get someones from India on a Presidentially supported H1b visa to do the work for less?

WHEREIN lies the amnesty?

Definition:
the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals
Pardon:
the excusing of an offense without exacting a penalty.

12 million have broken the law by illegally invading this country. The penalty for that is not a fee. We do not sell this country nor its citizenship. The penalty is deportation. There will be no deportation.

So, no deportation means a pardon for 12 million = amnesty

Some people reply that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down?

Notice that there is no mention about the salary. So if the job was paying 50k, and the employer offers it at 20k and "NO AMERICAN FILLS IT", well then its OK, the American citizen is then faced with a 60 percent cut in pay or having some Illegal Invading alien who has the Presidents support, take his or her job.
Of course, Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs. Not.

Lets remember the 15 BILLION for Aids compared to the 1/2 billion for retraining in the SOU.

Will some of the jobs illegals take right now henceforth be open to our American teenagers? NO. These jobs will be taken by the next wave of amnesty encouraged 10 million Illegal Invaders that come swarming across our borders that the President prevents from being secured in a time of war. Employers will lie and or not care tomorrow just as they do today because the government will not be able to keep track of these tens of millions of Illegals that, keep on keeping on, over our wide open borders.

Oh, what about that auto weapons ban, who was for that?

Some say without President Bush we would have The Islamist State Department. Well with Bush we don't need one since our President has pronounced Islam the religion of Peace.

Some say President Bush has unraveled the stock market tangled yarn and then some. Of course, it was after the damage had been done. I don't think the President wants to revisit the E word, Enron.

Some say President Bush faced down the UN. Is that why he went to the UN before attacking? Is that why Colin Powell went to the UN to explain why we were attacking? Is that why we agonized and waited and fought it out with the French and Germans and Russian IN THE UN?

Some say with a bigger majority in the House and Senate, we will be able to do more.

Not if the trend of running RINOs for these seats continues. The reason we had to make a recess appointment was because there were soooo many RINOs in congress. Remember all we needed was a majority to change the rules, and by-golly, we have a majority in each house, but in reality we are way short in both houses.

The sticking point is Pro Life. The democrats make no secret of -ProAbortion- being one of their litmus tests.

The Republicans need a President who will enforce the ProLife Plank, who will stand his ground in the war to save 3000 innocent babies that are killed everyday.

The President needs to be at least as uncompromising for Life as the democrats are against it. The democrats would never have supported a ProLife candidate, the GOP and the President routinely do.

Mr. President, you have done many good things, and every time I see those scumbags like Micheal Moore and Al Franken, and the Hollywood crowd, I forget my misgivings, I see blood red, and wish the election were today so I could vote straight GOP.

Don't you think this Illegal Immigrant Plan has backfired? Don't you think keeping our borders undefended in time of War is a mistake? We have had almost 16 years of Republican Presidents since 1980 and still no secure borders. It is now or never.

Today I am not seeing Blood Red.

No Border No Vote.

[tgslTakoma]

If we ever gave you that opinion, that wasn't the our intention. Please do not act as an authorized moderator.

Thank God! I was hoping it wasn't true.

[EternalVigilance]

You are so busy flailing out at anyone who dares disagree with you on a single issue, that you NEVER learn where they actually stand on the issues.

Yeah right. More disingenous argument. The old 'single-issue' gambit. Can't you think up something original?

I am very careful about not stating others positions for them, in most all cases.

And you and your buddies have accused me of just about everything under the sun on this thread, most not having a clue about me at all.

I'm a Kerry supporter, and am going to teach young people to hate President Bush, don't you know?

At least that was the claim several times earlier.

[Texasforever]

Today I am not seeing Blood Red.

Vizene will clear that right up.

[Jorge]

My apologies if you aren't one of the resident purveyors of the homosexual agenda.

Wow. That is very nice of you. Thanks!

But you are still being dishonest about our earlier exchange. I would post it again, but that is fruitless. You don't debate honestly.

Oh come on. Refresh our memories. Show us where I have been "dishonest" about earlier exchanges.

I am more than willing to discuss previous dialogues with you.

My bet is that you won't be able to show where I have been dishonest with you.

I don't even have to remember what we said. I know because I always tell the truth and know I don't lie.

But I can be a real jerk at times. :)

[FairOpinion]

"No Border No Vote."

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So you are voting for Kerry -- why the pretense, why don't you just say so, that you prefer Kerry's approach to Bush's.

[tgslTakoma]

I'm still trying to catch up after being away from here all day. You are doing fine.

...back to reading...

[EternalVigilance]

It's there for all to see. It will do no good for me to go back and fetch your posts, because you will then proceed to deny the obvious, as you have done repeatedly.

The jerk part we can agree on! :-)

[EternalVigilance]

You have stamina for a sick person!

;-)

[Jorge]

I remembered wrong. I apologized. Accept it or don't.

Common EV. Don't give up so easily.

You probably did have an encounter with me that made you believe I was pro-gay.

I am not someone who is easy to understand on this issue.

I don't mean to be inconsistant, but I believe the Bible when it say homosexuality is a sin, and yet don't beleive in those who try to make it the worst sin in the world.

Sorry. I accept any apology you offer regardless.

[EternalVigilance]

Great. Guess my memory is holding up okay after all. Hard to believe, since I'm getting older than dirt! At least that's what my kids say... ;-)

[EternalVigilance]

Just to be clear, my apology is sincere if I misrepresented your position on homosexuality in any way, as I obviously did. No equivocation on that at all.