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Vanity | Feb. 11, 2004 | Nix Two

Posted on 02/07/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by Nix 2

Gotta tell you something, people. Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None. Interest rates have not gone up. The Medicare reform bill has the rats climbing the wall because it is the first step towards its OWN slow death. Even G-d kept the Jews wandering in the wilderness until the whole generations of them that knew slavery were dead. So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. It took the dems a gazillion years to try to make everyone in the USA a slave to government and take over US healthcare bit by bit. This year it would have been fully government run if Gore had made it to Pennsylvania Avenue. Bush is unraveling their dream of the world under Marx.

Are you watching the teachers' union howling at the moon? They can't teach, so they blame the kids for not being able to learn. Bush gave them their chance. They are blowing it big-time. The more they try and steal our kids, the harder we fight, and the more they scream. But it will have its end and it will be under a Bush presidency. We need good minds to have better goals. No one knows that better than he does. The dems are freaking out over *No Child Left behind* because if a teacher can't teach, he/she has got to go. The dems would protect these stupid, moneygrubbers at any cost including the cost of your children's education.

Privatization of ALL healthcare is paramount if we are to maintain the best healthcare system in the world. The dems have run doctors out of practice, turned insurance companies into beancounters, claimed that pharmaceutical companies, which have given us virtually many more years to live, vile, filthy creatures who stalk the weak and the poor. Now, the first step back towards freedom is being looked at and whined about as if you so-called conservatives were personally wounded and the bleeding will never stop. The truly wounded are the democrats who see their phoney, dark, delusional world exposed to the unforgiving light of the truth. They are losing...but will you give credit? This is too pathetic. Do you let others do your thinking now?

What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty? Is it not a fact that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down? And is it not further fact that Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs because SOMEBODY believes that we have better brains and can learn better skills to come up with better ideas, instead of having the sugah-daddy dems giving everyone handouts and more unemployment compensation so they WOULDN'T go back to work. Don't you realize that only prolonged the recovery, not helped it, or me, or you? Do you realize that maybe, just maybe, some of the jobs illegals take right now will henceforth be open to our American teenagers who lost them to 40 and 50 year old illegals flipping burgers, training jobs, entry level jobs, jobs that taught our kids what it meant to have a work ethic and some responsibilty so they can stop expecting us to spoil them half to death. If they want a $150.00 pair of silly shoes, let them but them themselves. If they want a car, a little hard work never hurt anyone. Or has it truly escaped you that Americans First means young Americans as well? THIS takes a generation as well but like liberals everywhere, yesterday seems to be much too late. Well, where were you when all these things were building up? I asked someone a few years ago, right here on this board. He said "Sure, I think about it, but...I have a family and can't afford to do the right thing.

Now, Bush does the right thing, depriving no one of anything, and the crocodile tears are starting to make Conservatives look more and more like the libs with their hands constantly extended.

Are you stopping in your misplaced anger at President Bush to realize that terrorists damaged us in an excruciating way, but if Gore, or any of his ilk would have been president, they would have seized on that moment to finalize their control over us in ways that should make you thank the Lord for Bush. Gun control would be a gun ban period. We would probably be under martial law, our government would be gone, and our soldiers would be patroling OUR streets while Bin Laden was enjoying French hospitality. The Islamist State Department would be busily going about installing some form of sharia law by now. Do you want to be Canada? Then go the hell there and stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you ain't.

If you were truly conservatives, you would be stopping to think about the freedom you DIDN'T lose. We are at war. They aren't here, WE are there. You would realize that fully one fourth of the US was on fire almost at the same time. We've had megafloods. The Clinton Administration cooked the Stockmarket books to give the illusion of prosperity. Bush has unraveled the tangled yarn and then some. Do you think that was cheap? Do you realize that President Bush rolled back many of the insane enviroweenie laws that caused all that, and because of it, logging can happen again. Oil drilling can begin again. Care will be taken to stop the kind of corrupt and corrupted opposing environmental laws that did nothing to help the environment, but it sure helped to line the pockets of the UN believers of the world and their science of unreality and fishy fantasy.

Are you so nonsatisfiable that you don't realize that the man from Texas stood and faced down the UN so that they can't even get a paragraph ratified because he has them running in circles and has not much to do with the terrorists and crooks who run the damb place.

We have a good man as President. He will be even better with a bigger majority in the House and Senate. Anyone else who is, or might run, will NEVER be able to accomplish what Bush has already accomplished, and he isn't done yet...and there is NO SUCH THING as instant gratification. All that leads to his horrors down the road...like Medicare was before this reform.



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: deficit; democrats; fauxconservative; fuzzylogic; illegals; jobs; kyoto; medicare; navelinthinker; pathetic
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To: nopardons
Nope.
241 posted on 02/07/2004 8:13:59 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: Nix 2
"What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty?"

Bush is not kicking out the hispanic illegal aliens, ergo it's an amnesty.

His amnesty proposal will hurt him very badly at the polls as it will determine whether our Western culture will survive or be replaced by an alien one with a consequential civil war.
242 posted on 02/07/2004 8:14:31 PM PST by labolarueda ("The Passion of Christ" - Ash Wednesday, February 25th)
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To: EternalVigilance
It's divisive and counterproductive.

No it isn't. It is a fight between one group that wants to see the GOP to win and another group that does not. It is not a conservative debate it is a "debate" between two opposition parties.

243 posted on 02/07/2004 8:14:37 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Nix 2
WE NEED OUR JUDGES!

All caps definitely called for there! I'm loving this!

244 posted on 02/07/2004 8:14:43 PM PST by .30Carbine (A righteous argument if I ever heard one!)
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To: Texasforever
Thanks for coming to my defense.

Actually, I feel that being singled out as a real irritant to the anti-Bush types is an honor. ;)

It means they can't refute my arguments, so they resort to personal attacks.
245 posted on 02/07/2004 8:14:55 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Texasforever; Lazamataz; NYC GOP Chick
There there...

Let's not get all fussy...

246 posted on 02/07/2004 8:15:49 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: EternalVigilance
"Doesn't change the facts of what I'm trying to get across to people who just don't listen.

Well then, it seems what we have here is a failure to communicate.

247 posted on 02/07/2004 8:16:10 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: FairOpinion
There you go again. Painting with such a wide brush that you take in everybody but yourself and your merry little band of friends.

It's the dumbest way to win votes for a candidate I've ever seen.

Or are you trying to drive votes away from GW?

248 posted on 02/07/2004 8:16:17 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: gatorbait
Sound right to you?

No.

Your post made no sense. Try again if you have a point to make.

Regards

J.R.

249 posted on 02/07/2004 8:16:40 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: Nix 2
And my attitude is what it is. If YOU don't like it, who are you really fighting? Conservative bashers? Not me, man. I'm as Conservative as they come. I can just see a tad farther down the road. As far as I see, these conservatives who threaten us with Socialism are no conservatives at all.

Maybe he could toss us a bone and use his Bully Pulpit to make sure the Assault Weapons Ban never reaches his desk....?

250 posted on 02/07/2004 8:16:56 PM PST by Lazamataz (I know exactly what opinion I am permitted to have, and I am zealous -- nay, vociferous -- in it!!!)
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To: FairOpinion
Actually, I feel that being singled out as a real irritant to the anti-Bush types is an honor.

So you resort to lies?

251 posted on 02/07/2004 8:17:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: sauropod
Let's not get all fussy...

You will know when I get "fussy". I have been a pussycat so far.

252 posted on 02/07/2004 8:17:25 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: FairOpinion
Real conservatives take responsibility for their actions

I agree, and when real conservatives take action, they do so responsibly!

253 posted on 02/07/2004 8:17:26 PM PST by .30Carbine (An argument if I ever heard one!)
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To: gatorbait
J.R. is a good guy. Leave him alone.
254 posted on 02/07/2004 8:17:40 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: EternalVigilance
"Yeah. I'm on a mission to get people around here to quit bashing conservatives.

It's divisive and counterproductive."

===

And what do you consider the constant Bush-bashing that goes on around here "in the holy name of conservatism"? Do you consider that uniting and productive?

Over 80% of the people here support Bush -- I view the loud anti-Bush elements as divisive.
255 posted on 02/07/2004 8:17:52 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Lazamataz
"Fluffy, pretty clouds. Mmmmmmmmmmm......."


How were the skies like when you were young?

They ran on and on forever and
When I, we lived in Arizona
And the skies always had little fluffy clouds in them
And, ah, they were long, clear...
There were lots of stars at night
And, ah, when it would rain it would all turn
They they were beautiful
The most beautiful skies as a matter of fact
Ah, the sunsets were
Purple and red and yellow and blue and on fire
And the clouds would catch the colors everywhere
That's it's neat 'cause I used to look at them all the time when I was little
You don't see that

Firing different sounds
Firing different sounds

Little fluffy clouds
Little fluffy clouds
Little fluffy clouds
Little fluffy clouds

256 posted on 02/07/2004 8:18:00 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Arlen Specter supports the regime in Iran, which is the same one that took our people hostage)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Well then, it seems what we have here is a failure to communicate.

That is a fact.

257 posted on 02/07/2004 8:18:04 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Nix 2
"Unappeasable" is the operative word. IMO a good many of the Bush bashers are mostly interested in promoting whatever third party they belong to. They are willing to throw over a fierce defender of America's freedom for the sure betrayal of that freedom by any one of the pro UN RAT presidential candidates. President Bush will just have to win reelection this November without their help, and he will.
258 posted on 02/07/2004 8:19:49 PM PST by dasein64
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To: Nix 2
I'm wondering why folks refuse to vote in the best interest of the Republic . On the other hand I see you have some laughter in the mean time .
259 posted on 02/07/2004 8:19:57 PM PST by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Nix 2
Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None.

It actually has made one substantial, albeit indirect, difference. The economics of national income accounting derive an identity in which the trade balance for the nation as a whole, IM-EX, equates to the relationship between savings and investment for the nation as a whole, S-I. Put another way, when investment exceeds savings we will have a trade deficit. This little chart from the Congressional Budget Office displays the historical presence of this tendency along side trade surpluses and deficits for the last 30 or so years.

As you can see in it, when I exceeds S, trade has almost always gone into negative territory.

So how does this relate to deficits? Well, American citizens aren't particularly known for their savings habits even though they do still save a little. But one major participant in the U.S. economy has no clue what the word "save" even means nor has it for a long time. That participant is the U.S. government and they spend every penny they take in and then some. So what happens when deficits rise? Federal government savings, or lack thereof, automatically put the U.S. economy deep into the hole before individual saving are even considered in the equation virtually assuring that they will fall short of investments. The result? We have to go abroad to finance our investments, which means more trade in imports. So all of a sudden we get a trade deficit that is huge!

Now, is having a huge trade deficit a bad thing? Not necessarily in itself nor should currently having one be too much of a cause for concern from an economic perspective. But it does do one thing undesirable: large trade deficits, and even simply having large imports, are history's favorite scapegoat for economic hardship. They are always the very first thing that gets targetted whenever the economy isn't operating at perfection (and it doesn't even have to be a bad or recession economy - anything short of 110% boom is enough cause for people to start scapegoating the trade deficit, always has been, and always will be). So whenever trade deficits persist for a long time, a combination of mistaken popular opinion in the masses and outright political demagoguery by those who want electoral gain by pandering to the masses (or alternatively an inefficient industry) starts clamoring around for higher tariffs, more agriculture subsidies, and bad old fashioned government protectionism. When they do that even supposedly conservative free trader republicans like Bush start caving and giving them their tariffs to shut them up (much as he did with the steel tariffs a year or so ago, and more recently textile tariffs). The longer it lasts, the worse it gets and eventually free trade initiatives (which are economically beneficial and productive to us) start to suffer by either stalling before completion or, worse, being repealed or violated after the fact. That means higher prices for consumers, which hurts us all.

So in that sense, the budget deficit by way of exacerbating the trade deficit, which in turn gives a scapegoat to protectionists who then use it to succeed in stalling or backtracking on the move towards free trade, comes around to hurt you, me, and everybody else who ever buys anything by causing higher prices than we would otherwise have to pay.

260 posted on 02/07/2004 8:20:00 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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