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Debunking The Bush AWOL Story - From The Horse's Mouth
Brig. Gen. Turnipseed | February 6, 2004 | Hon

Posted on 02/06/2004 3:58:26 PM PST by Hon

I just got off the phone about an hour ago with Brig. Gen. William R. Turnipseed. He is the sole source for the four year old story that Bush was AWOL during his National Guard service.

Mr. Turnipseed is very unhappy with the way what he said "casually" four years ago has been twisted by the "Bush haters" (his words) in the media, especially the Boston Globe (who first reported the story) and the New York Times.

In a nutshell here is what happened, according to Turnipseed. Back in 1972 his Alabama National Guard unit received a letter from Bush (who was in the Texas Nation Guard) asking if he while he was in Alabama do some equivalancy training with the Alabama unit.

Turnipseed said that this request was as a matter of routine turned over to his administrative assistant, Lott, who wrote back to Bush, giving him the dates of the next unit drills. Lott told Bush he could report for those dates.

Neither Turnipseed nor Lott can now remember whether Bush appeared for these drills or not. Turnipseed says he himself might not have even been around the base at the time, so he wouldn't know one way or the other. And he says he has always said this.

The points Turnipseed wanted to stress are these: Bush was never ordered to report for duty to his unit. Since Bush was in the Texas National Guard and Turnipseed was in the Alabama National Guard, he couldn't have ordered him even if he had wanted to. But he didn't want to.

He (or his assistant, Lott) simply gave Bush the dates he could report if he wanted to do equivalency training with them. There were no orders given. If he showed up or didn't show up, it wasn't their concern.

Additionally, Turnipseed says that he never once said anything about Bush being "AWOL." He said it isn't even a term used in the National Guard. And anyway, as already noted, Bush's training record was not his concern, but the Texas National Guard's.

He said that since the Texas National Guard gave him an honorable discharge it shows that he fulfilled his training requirements.

Turnipseed said that the media has constantly misrepresented what he said and edited him so as to make Bush look bad.

He also said that he had no idea who Bush was, and that he certainly didn't do him any special favors. Nor would he have.

He said that when he first spoke to the Boston Globe reporter about this four years ago he didn't realize he was talking to a "Bush hater."

Turnipseed is a strong Bush supporter. He said that he has been contacted many times especially recently, by "Bush haters" in the media, who try to get him to say that Bush was AWOL. Once they realize that he won't cooperate they lose interest in talking to him. When they do quote him, they say he is backpedaling--even though he is still saying the same exact thing he told them four years ago.

He has been recently asked to go on with Peter Jennings and NBC's Dateline, but he is concerned that they will edit him in such a way as to misrepresent his story again. I have been in touch with Fox news, in hopes that they will have somebody talk to him and try to present his story fairly.

Bottom line, this whole AWOL story was media spin from the git-go. The Boston Globe reporter simply cherry picked Turnipseed's comments and totally misrepresented him--to make Bush look bad.

And the media are still doing it four years later. They should be ashamed--but they have no shame. They have only their agenda.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: awol; bsdebunked; bush; bushawol; deserter; honismojo; medialies; williamturnipseed
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To: Amelia
Si..... I understood what you were saying and from whence you came...... If we had the gift maybe even we could call..... But that gift is a fleeting thing.......
81 posted on 02/06/2004 4:56:37 PM PST by deport (VA EL ARBUSTO VA)
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To: sweetliberty
I wish some adventurous soul would post this over at the DU.

Well, when it starts showing up on the Grapevine and H&C and Limbaugh and Hannity and so forth, they'll know.

Of course, some of the subversive bastards are probably reading this thread right now.

82 posted on 02/06/2004 4:57:55 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: onedoug
I might have a flashback that he's a fat NVA sapper, or something.

So there's a downside to this?

The media has well established that Vietnam veterans can suddenly revert to being crazed killers. The stench of body odor has been noted as a frequent trigger mechanism.

The reek of hypocrisy and the disgusting sight of unwashed hair do it to me every time. My instant karma runs over Moore's dogma.

83 posted on 02/06/2004 4:58:54 PM PST by Johnny_Cipher (Making hasenfeffer out of bunnyrabbits since 1980)
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To: terilyn
That is an excellent idea - Turnipseed could be guest with Brit. It would fit perfectly in his interview segments just before or after the half-hour break.
84 posted on 02/06/2004 4:59:55 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: hole_n_one
Ma has some respect for the President even if she hammers on him. She understands his focus, attention to detail, planning, etc and tried to tell the other dems that but I still don't think they have caught her drift.
85 posted on 02/06/2004 5:00:10 PM PST by deport (VA EL ARBUSTO VA)
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To: Hon; OXENinFLA; lainie; NormsRevenge
Great job Hon. :)
86 posted on 02/06/2004 5:00:38 PM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: Henchster; Ironclad
Nice.

Cuz Iiiiiiiii ain't got noboooooooody.
Nobody, votes for me
Nobody, nobody
Iiiiiiiiiiiiiii'm so sad and looooooooooonely
Sad and lonely, sad and lonely
Won't some rich mama, come and take a chance on me
Cause I ain't so rich
And I can't win in November!
Can't beat Dubya!

87 posted on 02/06/2004 5:01:07 PM PST by steveegg (You don't clean up 8 years of messes in 4, only to turn it over to Pigpen - W'04)
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To: Hon
Geez ... I ask the Admin to make this breaking news and a whole 60 seconds go by before they do it. Sheesh. :>)
88 posted on 02/06/2004 5:01:23 PM PST by The G Man (John Kerry continues to be AWOL in the War on Terror!!!)
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To: Hon
The story is so good, I have to wonder too about your bona fides. Don't take this wrong, because I don't know. But the NewsMax Carl thread seems to confirm your narrative.

Time will tell if you are real, but it seems credible, at the least.

89 posted on 02/06/2004 5:02:54 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: Hon
For the record Bump

Thanks
90 posted on 02/06/2004 5:05:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac)
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To: steveegg
Nice! I need to look up the lyrics, and do a complete parody for the poster.
91 posted on 02/06/2004 5:07:43 PM PST by Henchster
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To: Hon
I would like to re-post this, but a couple of the newspaper editors do ask me for SOURCES.

Who do I credit/refer to/etc?

The papers are getting leery the closer to election day
92 posted on 02/06/2004 5:09:58 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: Petronski
"But the NewsMax Carl thread seems to confirm your narrative."

That story, which is just a rehash of an older NY Times story does illustrate what Turnipseed complained about. As I mentioned earlier, when he tries to correct the story he is accused of re-canting or backpedaling. It just goes to show that when the media has the story they won't they won't let anything get in their way.

As for my credibility, you can look at my past posts. But it's no big deal either way. Hopefully Fox or some other outlet will follow up with Turnipseed. I just want the truth to get out.
93 posted on 02/06/2004 5:10:26 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Yeah, I've been reviewing your posts and you seem authentic to me.

How did you find this place, this Free Republic?

94 posted on 02/06/2004 5:11:41 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: deport
All that may be true, but her campaign was notorious for digging up dirt on the opposition, and as Governor of Texas, she appointed the Ajutant General of the Texas Air Guard, and I have no doubt that his (Bush) records were made available to her campaign, and, as we all know, not a peep from her about it.
95 posted on 02/06/2004 5:11:58 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: steplock
"I would like to re-post this, but a couple of the newspaper editors do ask me for SOURCES."

I'm not sure what you mean. The only source is the Brigadier General himself. Message me, if you have a newspaper who needs to contact him.
96 posted on 02/06/2004 5:13:12 PM PST by Hon
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To: EternalVigilance
A few years ago there was a major scandal in Massachusetts when it was revealed that the teachers and their union thought it would be a good idea to bring homosexuals into the schools to teach the kids about "fisting" and other perverted homosexual practices.

FISTGATE

What was John Kerry's role in the decision to teach young kids about "fisting" in the Massachusetts schools? Did he support these "fistgate" conferences which were presented by militant homosexuals and their sponsors in the teachers union? HAS KERRY EVER TAKEN CAMPAIGN DONATIONS FROM THESE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS?

JOHN KERRY NEEDS TO "COME CLEAN" on these matters.

But mostly, John Kerry needs to explain his role in this disgusting scandal. Does Kerry support the teaching of homosexual "fisting" and other practices to public school children? WHAT IS Kerry's stand on "fisting"???

It is the responsibility of America's reporters and columnists to ask these tough questions and never stop until Kerry fully explains his role.

John Kerry needs to "come clean" NOW!!

97 posted on 02/06/2004 5:14:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: hole_n_one
I don't deny what you are saying about her digging dirt.... I'm not sure that this issue was ever a concern. She may have looked at his records per se and determined that there was nothing there....... which there isn't. Thus it never surface until the selected reporting in the 1999 time frame.
98 posted on 02/06/2004 5:15:14 PM PST by deport (VA EL ARBUSTO VA)
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To: Hon
Thanks for all your work on this!
99 posted on 02/06/2004 5:17:29 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: ohioWfan
fyi
100 posted on 02/06/2004 5:18:30 PM PST by GretchenEE (The woman who walks with God always gets to her destination.)
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