[sauropod]

"I believe he is a good man.. but I still think he needs to hear us."

Constitutional principles are not based on "beliefs" no matter how much you or I wish they were.

I want good, moral, decent people to succeed in this arena as well. I just see no evidence of it.

Fondly, 'Pod

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Constitutional principles are all beliefs. In fact, IMO, that is all they are. I happen to agree with those principles. I happen to love those principles. Like many people here I have had family members fight for those principles. The Constitution is a whole bunch of beliefs written down by a group of people a long time ago. Good thing they could work together and get a job done instead of spending their energies on throwing mud and setting up obstalces for themselves.

I am not flaming you, esp. sometimes I feel the same as you do, but I question how concerned you really are, when you leave the deabte at the point of finding common ground with others to solve a problem.