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To: jstolarczyk
If you do not intend to participate in illegal activties, how does the Act affect you?

Because if you fall under suspicion for any number of reasons beyond your control, you can be taken apart by busybody bureaucrats. Remember, the disengenuous part. They need a warrant but it is not your father's warrant. Probable cause is not required. They just have to say you are part of a terrorism investigation.

Add to that the enemy combatant horror (not part of the patriot act or any other act, just Bush's idea) and innocent people are in great danger of spending decades in prison with no opportunity to challenge their imprisonment (not conviction-no trial).

And here I thought that conservatives wanted the government to obey the constitution all the time. I guess that there is no honorable party left but the Libertarians.

166 posted on 02/06/2004 3:48:32 PM PST by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: Mike4Freedom
"Add to that the enemy combatant horror (not part of the patriot act or any other act, just Bush's idea)... I guess that there is no honorable party left but the Libertarians."

Libertarians aren't "honorable" because they aren't honest.

The term "enemy combatant" (and the treatment thereof) wasn't invented by Bush, and you know that full well because I have already educated you on that fact.

It was the Geneva Convention that defined that distinction between legal POW's from that of spies and sabotuers who wear no uniform and carry no military ID (e.g. dog tags) on the battlefield (which can include civilian infrastructure areas that are not related to open armed combat).

The Geneva Convention is *older* than George W. Bush, too...so it's a bit hard to accept that he suddenly had this "idea" for treating such spies and sabotuers as prescribed by the Geneva Convention.

In short, you and your fellow Libertarians routinely lie about such things even after you've been caught perpetrating such fabrications.

HINT: that's not "honorable."

171 posted on 02/06/2004 7:23:20 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Mike4Freedom
I am sorry, let me type slower. Unless you are involved in acts that bring you under suspicion, how is the Patriot Act going to effect you? Give me one example of individuals accidentally through no fault of their own were spied on or arrest under the Patriot Act. Lock terrorist up and throw away the key works for me, and while they are at it execute that scum in Florida.
If you really are concerned about constitutional rights, how about activist judges like the ones in MA, that usurped the authority of the legislative branch and the people of the state and created a law for gay marriages? Imagine one of those judges being appointed to the US Supreme Court by President Kerry. Go ahead waste your time with the Libertarians, hell your vote might bring to 1% of the electorate.
177 posted on 02/06/2004 8:31:40 PM PST by jstolarczyk (jstolarczyk)
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