Is Bush a Conservative? (Warning – opening this thread forfeits your right to gripe at me!)

Commentary Magazine ^ | February 2004 | Daniel Casse

[Southack]

" I am against their liberal agendas. I am prolife."

The only federal ban on abortion was signed by President Bush. Have you read Post #4 on this thread yet? No President has ever been more pro-life than President Bush.

Also, this 3rd Party talk is nonsensical. Permit me to tell you a bit about 3rd Parties from firsthand experience.

Here in Alabama, the top donors to the Libertarian Party are two Democratic Party trial lawyers. They don't donate their sums to get Libertarians elected, but rather, they do it because the LPA takes 5 Republican voters for every 3 Democrats who cross over to vote for them. Thus, funding the LPA is a cheap investment to sap almost 1% of Alabama's Republican vote advantage away.

In politics it is very difficult to move a block of voters, and a 1% statewide shift is normally very expensive to accomplish, but funding the LPA does it for the Dems here in Alabama year after year.

The arguments that they use are seductive, however. "Vote your principles," they say. "Break the 2 Party system," they promise.

But here's reality: the only people who get elected are those who raise tremendous amounts of money.

If you want to compete against President Bush in the Republican primary, for instance, it would take hundreds of millions to even be competitive. Since no current challengers can raise such funds, he's left without viable Republican competition. Ditto for the Democrats.

On the other hand, winning a 3rd Party nomination can often be done for less than one million Dollars...a fact that betrays just how little chance they have to do anything.

In other words, if a 3rd Party is to be taken seriously enough for you to consider voting for it, then it needs to show that it can raise hundreds of millions of Dollars.

Otherwise, you are voting for an under-funded Party that has no chance of winning nationally.

Which means that you are falling for the Democrats' plan to siphon votes away from Republicans.

Lenin and Marx called such people "useful idiots." I find that term a bit harsh, but it does show the contempt that the Left has for your so-called "principles."

You claim to be pro-life. How will you feel when President Kerry or worse, Mr. Planned Parenthood Doctor Dean himself wins the White House?

Because that's what voting 3rd Party means. It means that you are willing to see a pro-abortion Democratic Party President in office during the very next few years when as many as 5 lifetime Supreme Court Justices are going to be retiring (and will need to be replaced by whomever is sitting in the Oval Office).

[Sir Gawain]

:-)

[Southack]

Have you no response to post #103?!

[Nephi]

Very nice. Even Sir Gawain's facts are more attractive when you re-post(without refuting them).

[Southack]

Then you missed the point. Not a single claim listed in Post #103 is correct or factual.

Take the first item about continuing the lawsuit against MicroSoft, that's false. The Bush administration settled that lawsuit.

Take his second item from Post #103, "$10 billion military reserve fund for the Pentagon" as a supposedly "SOCIALIST WELFARE PROGRAM" or as a "POLITICAL BOONDOGGLE." As if defense spending was welfare. Oh please...

And so on and so forth, on down to his last item, $500 million for our anti-missile system...as if defending the U.S. from rogue states engaging in nuclear blackmail was a "boondoggle."

Every claim identified in Post #103 is a fabrication, not a fact.

[Triple Word Score]

You have my admiration. Thanks for what you're doing.

You're doing more to save babies and get conservative judges on the bench, and fight terror, than any third-party whiner could ever hope to do.

I hadn't realized that FIVE justices will be retiring after the election, but a quick look at the situation makes it obvious you're right. And that means that the right to practice religion, bear arms, and live are all at stake.

[Milligan]

Thanks for your post!
Some conservatives should take a second look at your list. Bush did accomplished so much. He made promises during his 2000 campaign which he has kept. I think Bush is very courageous doing something different and trying to break up liberal stronghold. I would like to see conserative judges to the judiciary without filibusters.

[Sir Gawain]

Uh, I didn't see a question. Step away from the fumes.

[Sir Gawain]

Wow, arguing against some out of date stories. I'm impressed. Only a hundred or so more links to go. You can do it! Discredit the entire press corps.

[Southack]

"Wow, arguing against some out of date stories."

No, I'm simply pointing out that your so-called "facts" are anything but true. Every claim identified in Post #103 is a fabrication, not a fact. See Post #125, for instance.

But hey, that's only the anti-Bush list that you take pride in spamming around on those threads that you desire to gum up with your posts...so why should you be concerned with mere "truth?!"

[Sir Gawain]

spamming

Pot, kettle, etc.

[Southack]

So you feel free to post a list with proven fabrications (re: see posts #103 & post #125)?!

Aren't you the trust worthy one...

< /SARCASM >

[Milligan]

The Ultracons are like the environmentalist who want to protect our forest. They don't want control burns or clear dead/disease trees. They rather see the forest go up in smoke like it did in CA recently.

The Ultracons want results..now! They want limited government...now! How can you accomplish that? The American public are addicted to government programs for over 40 years and we have to wean them off slowly. If we get our conservative people in, we can make those changes. Going off to a third party will not accomplish anything. The ball will always be on the Democrats side and they will make the rules. Does this make sense?

[Triple Word Score]

Watch out. The new tactic is for the Ultracons to accuse the President of actually controlling the thoughts of those of us who still "buy into" his Presidency. That's right, the President made you say that. So any argument you can come up with provokes a "See?" from the Too-Conservative-for-the-President types. We've been politically brainwashed.

They are helping to keep the price of aluminum up, anyway.

[GigaDittos]

The Government is not continuing the Microsoft lawsuit (your source)
Sources 2 & 3 are dead
Something wrong will spending money on troop in S. Korea?
You expect pilots to carry firearms without training?
Info on Mexican voter's (and the problem is?)
Georgia Homeland Security (Is this unusual?)
Smallpox programs (Is this not within the Federal charter?)
How much does a presidential trip usually cost? Are we spoiling out troops too much?
SAFER funding (Should the Government not fulfill its obligation?)
Total Information Awareness (I think that's been addressed in our favor)
Should we buy the Boeing tankers instead?
Alaska is a good place for defense protection (Got a problems with that?)

[Milligan]

Getting elected is getting the center pocket. The ultracons don't understand that. They don't realize many people don't share their ideas. Ultracons are a minority. You can't appeal to the voting public if you are too far right or even too far left...this turns voter's off. Ultracons should look at statistics. If you did a pie graph, the voting majority would be centralist.

[Sir Gawain]

Info on Mexican voter's (and the problem is?)

No problem at all if you've never read the Constitution.

[Southack]

Precisely. My post #103 points out a string of fabrications in Sir Gawain's original message.

[Sir Gawain]

You're really smoking something if you claim fabrication on those. You point to the out of date story regarding Microsoft as your only defense. Keep living in your fantasy world. All those news stories are wrong I tell ya! LOL

This surveillance of Latin Americans began September 25, 2001, exactly two weeks after the terrorist attacks. On that date the U.S. Department of Justice awarded ChoicePoint a 67-million dollar contract for providing information on Mexico and other Latin countries. Though the contract expires July 31, 2005, the government enriched Choice-Point to the tune of another 11 million dollars on April 8, 2002.

Source

So your assertion that all the links are fabricated is in fact, a lie.