Maine: Search for illegal aliens alienates city

MaineToday.com ^ | January 30, 2004 | Bill Nemitz

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Wrong answer.

There is a big difference in taking what you earn and distributing it to the non-productive and in preventing you from making your money by exploiting others.

No it isn't. The net effect is that you cause the employer to pay more for a service than it is actually worth. This is in fact the same thing as taking money from someone. You don't believe in freedom or in the free market. Apparently, you believe that the nanny state intervening between willing workers and willing employers is somehow beneficial. Your views are very much like the patronizing liberals who believe that everyone needs their help. The government actually causes many of the problems that we have by interfering with the free market (as a result of do-gooders such as yourself).

Perhaps you think you have the right to use people who are at a disadvantage for your personal financial gain.

Apparently you think you have the right to interfere with the contract formed by two willing adults (employer and employee). Perhaps we should simply ban private property and force citizens to pay 100% of their earnings to the federal government so that the government can ensure that everyone has the same amount of money?

don't agree that you do, even if the law did allow it. In effect, all you're doing is contributing more of your tax dollars for redistribution anyway, to subsidize those you are underpaying in the first place.

Why should the government force me to subsidize anyone in the first place?

Will you at least admit that you are a socialist? If you don't think you are, please explain the difference between you and a socialist. Another question for you, since you support the minimum wage. Why is the minimum wage $5.35/hr? Some call for an increase to over $7.00/hr? What do you think the right number is? Would you support a $50/hr minimum wage? Why or why not? What would be the consequence of making a $50 minimum wage? Looking forward to your answers....

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

From your home page:

"We have become a nation of slaves. The slavemasters wield the Constitution like a weapon to uphold perversity and weak-mindedness and dishonesty and Godlessness while not allowing the Constitution to protect innocence or tradition, goodness or truth or Godliness. They require the cover of darkness to do their dirty deeds and will run roughshod over anything of the light. Anything that promises to bring the typical democrat voter out of that ignorance is perceived as a threat. If they lose the issues that appeal to the gut reaction of the ignorant they have nothing. I'm sure there are exceptions to my description, but I believe the ones I described are what makes the RATS so dangerous.

Where exactly is the minimum wage (or the right of the federal government to interfere with citizens business affairs) mentioned?

[LoudRepublicangirl]

As far as I am concerned, being in the United States is not a right for just everyone. There are responsibilities that go along with being a citizen here and getting all the entitlements one can get as a great many of these people are doing is draining us. I don't want this great country to become a police state either but we have to find a way to crack down on illegal immigrants and to deport those who verify on their legal visa's that they are financially responsible for themselves and then run to the nearest Public Aid office as soon as their feet hit the ground here.

[sweetliberty]

Perhaps I am not making myself understood, or maybe I am accurate in my perseption that "itsareligionofpeace" is being deliberately obtuse, but I tire of the asinine arguments. Perhaps some of you could review my posts to him and his replies and better explain the economic issue we're dealing with here than I can. I didn't think my posts were that hard to understand, but he thinks I'm a socialist now because I don't want our country overrun with illegals and I want those who employ them to be held accountable. Did I fail to make that clear?

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Good post and replies.

[LoudRepublicangirl]

Most guys named "Ahmed" are liars.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Yes, please call in the calvary. I simply asked you what the minimum wage rate should be? All of these issues are linked (by Socialism).

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

How about closing the entitlement err, I mean Public Aid office for a start?

[LoudRepublicangirl]

Sound good to me.

[Itzlzha]

"My business is down 80 percent since Saturday," lamented Juan Gonzalez, owner of La Bodega Latina Grocery Store on Congress Street. "Customers call me on the phone saying, 'Is it clear? Can we come down?' People are really afraid."

How horrible! Imagine..."Illegal Infiltrators" being treated like SMOKERS!!! How DARE They!

Hey, Juan...if they were there LEGALLY, they wouldn't be CALLING you!

Maybe the BP should set up shop in HIS shop, and answer the phone saying "All Clear Jefe!"

[SheLion]

but he thinks I'm a socialist now because I don't want our country overrun with illegals and I want those who employ them to be held accountable. Did I fail to make that clear?

I'm in YOUR boat!

[agitator]

http://taor.agitator.dynip.com/on_law.htm

[eno_]

If most of the followers weren't peaceful things would be much different. There are a billion of them.

The problem is that many, perhaps most Moslems applaud and support Bin Laden and his goals. They may not strap on a bomb themselves, but the ululating hag celebrating 9/11 in Gaza was not unrepresentative.

Yeah, a billion people can all be wrong. That many were wrong to follow Mao and the Gang of Four. Just because Islam is a religion and not purely a political movement doesn't mean it can't be as illegitimate and murdurous as Mao, Stalin, or Hitler's cults.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Yes, a billion people can be wrong, but just under Mao, it only takes a relatively small population to cause havoc. This is true of every group.

[hosepipe]

[ The future is now. Do you think they(illegal aliens) wait for legal status to vote? ]

Of course not.. even the dead vote in democrat dominated states.. multiple times and often.. Voteing places in Mexifornia are a circle jerks..

[Budge]

Good discussion ping.

Very good.

[MissAmericanPie]

There is nothing "free market", about allowing illegals living ten to an apartment to depress fair market wages that are determined honestly by the absence of artificial influences.

I don't know what kind of snake oil you think you're trying to sell here, but you won't find a market for it.

[Budge]

I simply asked you what the minimum wage rate should be? All of these issues are linked (by Socialism).

Who demanded we even have a minimum wage in the first place, socialists or capitalists?

Most of us realize how corrupt any government "protection" agency can be. God help the employer who steps out of line. Hell, not even religious organizations are immune from "big daddy with a BIG stick!" Remember Waco or Ruby Ridge?

[MS.BEHAVIN]

I'm going to have nightmares..
LOTS of them..
Ms.B