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Maine: Search for illegal aliens alienates city
MaineToday.com ^ | January 30, 2004 | Bill Nemitz

Posted on 01/31/2004 5:56:03 AM PST by SheLion

Their boss insists that they're not trying to act like jerks. It's just that the border patrol agents who descended on Portland last weekend are new to Maine and, this being the dead of winter and all, they apparently can't help themselves.

"A lot of our agents are just off the southern (U.S.) border and there's a different atmosphere down there," said Monte J. Bennett, assistant chief patrol agent for the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection in Houlton. "There are a lot more numbers down there. Things are more aggressive."

In other words, if you're an immigrant in Maine these days, you'd best double-check your papers before you go anywhere and learn to say "Yes, sir" and "No, sir" to anyone in a black uniform and boots. And oh yes, try not to look suspicious.

"My business is down 80 percent since Saturday," lamented Juan Gonzalez, owner of La Bodega Latina Grocery Store on Congress Street. "Customers call me on the phone saying, 'Is it clear? Can we come down?' People are really afraid."

According to bureau spokesman Bennett, what happened Saturday in Portland was a typical "transportation sweep" in which federal agents - many recently transferred here as part of a south-to-north shift in homeland security forces - visited Portland's airport, train and bus stations in search of illegal aliens.

They netted 10 people whose papers failed to pass muster. At the same time, they left Portland's hard-won reputation as an immigrant-friendly city in tatters.

Nasir Ahmed was behind the counter at Amei Halaal Market on St. John Street when agents walked in and told everyone, employees and customers alike, to get out their passports and green cards. Ahmed said some patrons eating lunch in the Somali market bolted out the back door - not because they were undocumented, but because they were scared to death.

"How would you feel if you went to McDonald's and got asked for ID while you were eating your food? That's what happened here," Ahmed asked. "Now, less people come in. We lost a lot of customers."

Mohammed Barre, who was in the store at the time, said much of the anxiety could have been avoided if the agents had clearly identified themselves (several eyewitnesses said they didn't) and, before coming through the door, had taken the chips off their shoulders.

"Unfriendly," Barre replied when asked to describe the agents' demeanor. "Very unfriendly."

Bennett insisted that the operation targeted only Portland's "transportation hubs," not its immigrant enclaves. He added, however, that the agents will investigate anything "that needs investigating."

Would two stores with foreign names, frequented by people with dark skin, each a block or two from the Vermont Transit bus station "need investigating"?

"Based solely on that, no," Bennett replied. "They go more by people's mannerisms."

Thus, we are asked to believe, it was a citywide outbreak of "mannerisms" that attracted agents to Amei Halaal Market, La Bodega Latina and even the Preble Street Resource Center, where director Mark Swann has vowed that the next time agents show up, they'll be asked for a search warrant.

(Lest we all think the agents' attitudes began and ended with immigrants, consider my daughter's welcome Saturday upon arriving in Portland by bus from Boston: After she gave a border agent her license, he demanded her passport. She correctly told him that U.S. citizens don't need passports for interstate travel. "Let me give you a word of advice," he replied tersely. "You need to learn to watch your mouth.")

Where all this tension goes from here is anyone's guess.

Meetings are already being held among Portland's immigrant elders and leaders. And the Latino Health and Community Service has called off its Feb. 14 health fair because, director John Connors explained, "I'm not going to put up posters telling these guys we're going to have a bunch of minorities and immigrants showing up at a particular time and place."

Bennett calls such fears unfounded. If confronted by a federal agent, he said, all anyone has to do is "be friendly, be straightforward and answer their questions."

And above all, watch your mannerisms.

Columnist Bill Nemitz can be contacted at 791-6323 or at: bnemitz@pressherald.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: aliens; authorities; illegal; search; seizure; terror
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
The point is that this is not the Soviet Union. If some s.o.b. walked up to me and asked me out of the clear blue for my papers, I'd tell him to go straight to hell....

Ok, you do that. the next time a cop pulls you over on a traffic stop, tell him where to go. And don't forget to include that he's an S.O.B.

181 posted on 01/31/2004 10:48:15 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: SouthernFreebird
When was the last time you were stopped by a Federal agent and required to present identification while eating in a restaurant?

Never mind when was the last time...when was the FIRST time this happened to you?

As far as a road block, I have lived in this country for 35 years, and I have never seen police setting up a road block to do random license check. Where do you live that this happens with any sort of frequency?
182 posted on 01/31/2004 11:58:35 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I guess you didn't read my post....I live in NC. Try driving down here on a holiday.... Easter, Labor day, memorial day, your sure to run into one of these road blocks.

I'm a 5ft2 eyes of blue, blonde, southern white woman, I doubt if I'll raise questions of my being here illegaly. But should I ever be asked, I'll gladly comply because I appreciate them doing their job to weed out the illegal criminals invading our Country.

183 posted on 01/31/2004 12:50:08 PM PST by SouthernFreebird ( Go Panthers !)
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To: Sci Fi Guy
What I described and what you described are two entirely different situations. If a group of border patrol people come into a restaurant and ask me for my green card or passport/id, I will certainly tell them no. Depending on their attitude, I'd tell them to go to hell.
184 posted on 01/31/2004 1:35:39 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: FITZ
It may be BS, but my whole point is that you would have never believed the situations that I described.
185 posted on 01/31/2004 1:36:36 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: sweetliberty
Yes slavery was indeed abolished. How does me arguing that the free market should dictate wages have anything to do with slavery? You socialists all think the same way. If I as a free man decide to work for $2.00 per hour, that is between me and the employer. Why is it any of your business? Laws come and go, and just because something is the law does not mean it is right. Laws should only protect the private property rights of citizens. We are all grown up and can make our own free choices when it comes to work. But, let me guess, you know better than the average person and you should be able to dictate whatever arbitrary rules you want to impose?
186 posted on 01/31/2004 1:43:27 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
As far as the government knowing how each person voted, I'm not familiar with what you speak of, but that really is not a good comparison. First of all, the bill of rights and constitution were actually followed in the early years

Until the late ninetheenth century, everyone knew your vote because voting was public. This made fraud less likely and worked to discourage voting by people who knew too little about the issues to justify themselves to their neighbors. The reason the secret Australian ballot came to America -- and it was a tremendously controversial decision with conservatives against -- was so that vote buyers could not know how supposedly bought voters had voted. But now with easy absentee voting in many states we have the worst of both worlds -- vote buying is again practical, while voters are often not manly enough (sorry ladies) to publicly state their beliefs.

As far as the bill of rights in early America, check out the Alien and Sedition Acts. There is a great deal to Madison's description of bills of rights: "Parchment promises, easily made, easily broken."

P.S. Yes, I know Madison eventually said he changed his mind, just as Lincoln changed his famously low opinion of Jefferson. Politics.

187 posted on 01/31/2004 1:46:01 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: SheLion
Even though this article is written by a effete weenie boy with a snide condescending tone, the subject matter itself (immigration agents attempting to enforce the law) warms my heart.

I hope it catches on.
188 posted on 01/31/2004 1:55:03 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: SheLion
"Unfriendly," Barre replied when asked to describe the agents' demeanor.

Kilvinsky's Law says that officers should be civil to all and courteous to none.

189 posted on 01/31/2004 1:58:34 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: Luis Gonzalez
As far as a road block, I have lived in this country for 35 years, and I have never seen police setting up a road block to do random license check. Where do you live that this happens with any sort of frequency?

I have lived in this country for 45 years (since birth) and license checks are common here in Georgia. They keep crap vehicles off the roads, and lately they have the added benefit of outing illegals and drunks. Operating a motor vehicle on state highways is a priveledge, not a right.

190 posted on 01/31/2004 2:15:33 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"Laws come and go, and just because something is the law does not mean it is right."

Then I take that to mean that you think it is alright to ignore the laws if they don't suit you. After all, if your neighbor wants to run prostitutes out of his house and the girls are willing to work for $5 a day, hey, what business is that of yours?

I wasn't suggesting that the laws are always right, but they are often necessary. Why would anybody work for $2 an hour when they can make more on welfare? Do you think people should be forced to live 15-20 in a small house to be able to pay the rent? Apparently you're one of those people who is okay with having wages driven down for the whole country, especially poorer Americans who lack skills, just as long as you can exploit the "free market" and hire Pedro and his 15 cousins for the same as you would have to pay 2 Americans, not to mention exploiting the dignity of those who work at a rate that will barely feed an American dog, but who cares, just as long as YOU get to reap the benefits, right? That is exactly the attitude that created this monster.

191 posted on 01/31/2004 2:15:41 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: TheBattman; Budge; Travelgirl; Sabertooth
Good discussion ping.
192 posted on 01/31/2004 2:17:08 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
Then I take that to mean that you think it is alright to ignore the laws if they don't suit you. After all, if your neighbor wants to run prostitutes out of his house and the girls are willing to work for $5 a day, hey, what business is that of yours? Exactly.

I wasn't suggesting that the laws are always right, but they are often necessary. Why would anybody work for $2 an hour when they can make more on welfare? We shouldn't have welfare. Do you think people should be forced to live 15-20 in a small house to be able to pay the rent? Apparently you're one of those people who is okay with having wages driven down for the whole country, especially poorer Americans who lack skills, just as long as you can exploit the "free market" and hire Pedro and his 15 cousins for the same as you would have to pay 2 Americans, not to mention exploiting the dignity of those who work at a rate that will barely feed an American dog, but who cares, just as long as YOU get to reap the benefits, right? That is exactly the attitude that created this monster.Actually, SL, I would not "exploit" anyone. But, what you are basically saying is that the government has the right to use force to confiscate wealth that I acquire so that it may be redistributed to other citizens. How you can hold a belief like this and use liberty in your user name is beyond me! At your core, you don't believe in the free market. You are a socialist. If you are so concerned about the unskilled, you are free to give all you want to them. It should be my choice to give. A lot of people confuse my view with me being greedy or wanting to exploit. You couldn't be further from the truth. The bottom line is that I don't think anyone has a right to confiscate wealth from their neighbors, indirectly or not. Ultimately, you don't think people are capable of surviving without government intervention. Very sad.

193 posted on 01/31/2004 2:28:15 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"what you are basically saying is that the government has the right to use force to confiscate wealth that I acquire so that it may be redistributed to other citizens."

Nope. There is a big difference in taking what you earn and distributing it to the non-productive and in preventing you from making your money by exploiting others. Perhaps you think you have the right to use people who are at a disadvantage for your personal financial gain. I don't agree that you do, even if the law did allow it. In effect, all you're doing is contributing more of your tax dollars for redistribution anyway, to subsidize those you are underpaying in the first place.

194 posted on 01/31/2004 2:37:06 PM PST by sweetliberty (To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: JustPiper; Gallegos; HiJinx; janetgreen; FITZ; gubamyster; SandRat; WRhine; joesnuffy; B4Ranch; ...
Ping.
195 posted on 01/31/2004 2:45:02 PM PST by Missouri
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Per your post #88, lousy analogy. To compare the roundup of illegal alien lawbreakers who would simply be sent safely back to their home countries to the roundup, by the Nazis, of Jews who had broken no laws and were being sent to concentration camps and eventually to the gas chambers is detestable.
196 posted on 01/31/2004 2:59:39 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: cyborg
The eroding of freedom continues.

Already stolen by millions of illegals.

197 posted on 01/31/2004 3:05:25 PM PST by RWG
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To: judgeandjury
To compare the roundup of illegal alien lawbreakers who would simply be sent safely back to their home countries to the roundup, by the Nazis, of Jews who had broken no laws and were being sent to concentration camps and eventually to the gas chambers is detestable.

I agree with you and I'd bet alot of WW2 veterns would also agree with you.

I wish I had a dollar for everytime an anti-deportation freeper has pulled the Nazi Card. It happens alot on these immigration threads.

198 posted on 01/31/2004 3:05:32 PM PST by Missouri
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To: vaudine; sweetliberty
And of course, this article is dead set gainst law enforcement--it's unfriendly! Good grief!

I think the biggest challenge of our day is to rally our citizens out of their slumber.

199 posted on 01/31/2004 3:23:41 PM PST by risk
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To: judgeandjury
Bad things happen once the government begins to tread on the rights of lawful citizens in order to solve a perceived problem. The end does not justify the means. My response to the comment I was referring to was very much on point.
200 posted on 01/31/2004 3:43:30 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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