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1 posted on 01/27/2004 1:31:28 PM PST by LibWhacker
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Missing link is still missing.
2 posted on 01/27/2004 1:34:56 PM PST by lilylangtree
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Add a few bone chips and some iffy climate data and Viola! They now know how neanderthal became extinct. Isn't it amazing how much they know? I'm so impressed.

Fantasy writers got nothing on anthropologists.

3 posted on 01/27/2004 1:35:26 PM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand. If you are French raise both hands!)
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I thought Darryl Hannah resolved this issue.
4 posted on 01/27/2004 1:35:54 PM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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Are they series?
7 posted on 01/27/2004 1:41:40 PM PST by Forrestfire
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Discovery Channel

Rapidly becoming the Fantasy Channel.

8 posted on 01/27/2004 1:44:10 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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According to the "swimmer", Senator Kennedy, neanderthals are still living today.

He said that Bush has nominated some for superior court judges.

9 posted on 01/27/2004 1:44:51 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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How do they explain the Neandertals in warmer climates? How did these people thrive for over a hundred thousand years and succumb to this one Ice Age?

I'd bet their heads got too big for their breeches. They had bigger brains than ours and might have started evolving bigger ones at a rate that cut into their birth rates. Mothers' bones don't change proportionately and maternal death rates went up.

As for food acquisition, it's kind of silly to think primitive humans depended on spears, just because we dig up more spearheads than traps and nets.

11 posted on 01/27/2004 1:51:45 PM PST by Graymatter
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Dance of the trolls ping.
12 posted on 01/27/2004 1:55:40 PM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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35,000 years is a very slow "wipe". That's six times longer than all of recorded history.
15 posted on 01/27/2004 1:57:19 PM PST by pabianice
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Neanderthals appear to have tolerated temperatures as cold as zero degrees Fahrenheit, but during the last ice age, winter temperatures dipped to well below freezing.

DUH! Freezing is 32 degrees F, not zero degrees F.

16 posted on 01/27/2004 1:59:22 PM PST by pabianice
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19 posted on 01/27/2004 2:05:17 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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Neanderthals-vs-'modern' man. Hmmm, sounds familiar!
Islam -vs-civilization?
We must make sure the end result is the same.
20 posted on 01/27/2004 2:11:46 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam...it's about Islam.)
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Neanderthals had to compete against modern humans and were wiped off the face of the Earth

Tsk tsk tsk.. even then mankind was causing extinctions. When will we learn?

22 posted on 01/27/2004 2:34:00 PM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)
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Comparison of the skulls of the Skhul 5 early modern human (left) and the Amud 1 Neanderthal, both from Israel, reveals some of the physical differences between these two human types.

This reconstruction depicts the adult male Neanderthal unearthed at the Amud cave site in Israel, who lived more than 50,000 years ago. His skull appears in the previous figure.

From: Neanderthals and Modern Humans A Regional Guide

23 posted on 01/27/2004 2:35:30 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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What a tremendous load of bull. The things people will go through...
24 posted on 01/27/2004 2:41:19 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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Neandrethals are not extinct. Ted Kennedy says Bush is appointing them to the federal bench.
27 posted on 01/27/2004 2:55:23 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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In a prehistoric battle for survival, Neanderthals had to compete against modern humans and were wiped off the face of the Earth,

TOP OF THE FOOD-CHAIN, MAW!!!! :) We wiped out those Neanderthals!

Loser species go extinct.

35 posted on 01/27/2004 5:10:31 PM PST by LibKill (My sigil: Two crossed, dead, Frenchmen emblazoned on a mound of dead Frenchmen.)
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"Neanderthals appear to have tolerated temperatures as cold as zero degrees Fahrenheit, but during the last ice age, winter temperatures dipped to well below freezing."

Since freezing is 32o F., I conclude that this writer doesn't know of what she speaks.

36 posted on 01/27/2004 7:21:28 PM PST by Bonaparte
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In a prehistoric battle for survival, Neanderthals had to compete against modern humans and were wiped off the face of the Earth, according to a new study on life in Europe from 60,000 to 25,000 years ago.

The Rev. Al Sharpton immediately made reparations for the Neanderthals a core component of his campaign to win the Democrat nomination for President.

Shalom.

39 posted on 01/28/2004 10:03:06 AM PST by ArGee ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." - George W. Bush)
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To: LibWhacker; pabianice; Bonaparte; Calamari; highimpact
pabianice: DUH! Freezing is 32 degrees F, not zero degrees F.

Bonaparte: Since freezing is 32o F., I conclude that this writer doesn't know of what she speaks.
Seems like a reasonable conclusion.
Calamari: Wide spread acceptance of same sex marriage?

highimpact: I think the Neanderthal extinction was most likely the result of \conservatism run amock. If a more liberal/socialist agenda had been adopted by rulers of their time (tax the homo sapiens!), they would probably still be thriving in a communist utopia today.
:'D Given the Neandertal upper body strength, I'm guessin' that the Cro-Magnons would have discovered Europe to be like a sea-to-shining-sea wide open great outdoors version of federal penitentiary, minus the bar of soap. Unless the Neandertal invented that, too...

The previous "most concrete evidence to date that Neanderthals are indeed a separate species within the genus Homo":
Neandertal DNA
by Mark Rose
July 29, 1997
The scientists obtained a sequence of 379 amino acid base pairs by replicating shorter, overlapping segments. They identified 27 differences between the Neandertal DNA and a modern reference DNA sample over the replicated sequence. By contrast, DNA from a random sample of a modern population might vary from the reference DNA in five to eight places.
By the way -- your father and you are not related if you can't find any of his tissue. Only the mtDNA sez whether or not you're descended from anyone. :'P

The presumed number of base pairs in the original sample (living tens of thousands of years ago) of mtDNA is over 16,000. The alleged scientists who authored the so-called study claimed that they had 379 contiguous base pairs -- out of the 16,000+ -- and that it varied from modern values. And (for that matter) that the mtDNA studied could be matched up with a modern sequence -- which it did not match -- and could not possibly have been non-contiguous, and could not possibly have been from a different part of the mtDNA, and could not possibly have been from a non-hominid (i.e., a bacteria which munched the remains quietly away shortly after the guy died). And of course, that mtDNA could not possibly have an unpredictable rate of change, or that it may actually come from both sides to any extent...
Fathers can be influential too
by Eleanor Lawrence
Biologists have warned for some years that paternal mitochondria do penetrate the human egg and survive for several hours... Erika Hagelberg from the University of Cambridge, UK, and colleagues... were carrying out a study of mitochondrial DNAs from hundreds of people from Papua-New Guinea and the Melanesian islands in order to study the history of human migration into this region of the western Pacific... People from all three mitochondrial groups live on Nguna. And, in all three groups, Hagelberg's group found the same mutation, a mutation previously seen only in an individual from northern Europe, and nowhere else in Melanesia, or for that matter anywhere else in the world... Adam Eyre-Walker, Noel Smith and John Maynard Smith from the University of Sussex, Brighton, UK confirm this view with a mathematical analysis of the occurrence of the so-called 'homoplasies' that appear in human mitochondrial DNA... reanalysis of a selection of European and African mitochondrial DNA sequences by the Sussex researchers suggests that recombination is a far more likely cause of the homoplasies, as they find no evidence that these sites are particularly variable over all lineages.
Is Eve older than we thought?
by Sanjida O'Connell 15th April 1999
"Two studies prove that the estimation of both when and where humanity first arose could be seriously flawed... The ruler scientists have been using is based on genetic changes in mitochondria, simple bacteria that live inside us and control the energy requirements of our cells. Mitochondria are passed from mother to daughter and their genes mutate at a set rate which can be estimated - so many mutations per 1,000 years... However, these calculations are based upon a major assumption which, according to Prof John Maynard Smith, from Sussex University, is 'simply wrong'. The idea that underpins this dating technique is that mitochondria, like some kinds of bacteria, do not have sex... Two groups of researchers, Prof Maynard Smith and colleagues Adam Eyre-Walker and Noel Smith, also from Sussex, and Dr Erika Hagelberg and colleagues from the University of Otago, New Zealand, have found that mitochondria do indeed have sex - which means that genes from both males and females is mixed and the DNA in their offspring is very different... Prof Maynard Smith and his colleagues stumbled over mitochondria having sex in the process of tracking the spread of bacterial resistance to meningitis... For the 'out-of-Africa' theory to hold water, the first population would have to have been very small. Sexually rampant mitochondria may put paid to this idea. Maynard Smith thinks that the origin of humanity is much older - may be twice as old - which, according to Eyre-Walker, means we are likely to have evolved in many different areas of the world and did not descend from Eve in Africa."

42 posted on 01/28/2004 11:03:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (sexually rampant mitochondria -- today, on Oprah)
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