Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat

DEBKA ^ | 11/03/03

[Mossad1967]

Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles

Link to Thread #1

[Velveeta]

Thanks, I'll bookmark that site.

[LoudRepublicangirl]

I read these last words of Betty Ong and first I cry. Then I get angry all over again. Real angry.

[steve86]

"tankless" water heater Do you need something at each source point (each shower, each sink, etc.?)

No, this is a whole-house tankless heater. It goes on the wall right next to where the old tank was. I use the freed-up space for potable water storage.

Do a search for AquaStar (made by Bosch). Ours is a medium-capacity unit. Two showers in two bathrooms at once would be pushing it a little, but it is plenty adequate for everything else.

[txhurl]

I am still waiting for them to get all the little neighborhood convenience stores. Herd um up, move um out.

Convenience stores. Particularly here in TX. They make me crazy. The proprietors are condescending and hateful. How can we ever know what to expect from them?

Do you have any ?idea? where they are in the threat matrix, if anywhere?

[judicial meanz]

I cant even get them to return a letter or call, much less pay attention to a constituent. They have the "let them eat cake mentality".

[Nemo1USA]

Today From CIDRAP CHINA MEMO

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/hot/flu/news/jan_2704avian.html

also there are the best,and most informative links on the sidebars you will find.

(fair use)

China reports avian flu; WHO calls for international effort
Robert Roos Staff Writer


Jan 27, 2004 (CIDRAP News) – China reported an outbreak of highly pathogenic avian influenza in ducks today, while the World Health Organization (WHO) joined other international groups in appealing for a multinational campaign to stop the disease's march across Asia.

Meanwhile, Thailand reported its second death caused by the influenza A(H5N1) virus. The victim was a 6-year-old boy. Ten human cases of H5N1 infection have been confirmed—seven in Vietnam and three in Thailand—and eight of the patients have died.

Also, Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said the risk of avian flu in the United States is very low, but the CDC is stockpiling drugs that could help prevent and treat the illness in humans, among other precautions.

So far the WHO has recognized H5N1 outbreaks in poultry in Vietnam, Thailand, South Korea, Japan, and Cambodia, the agency's Western Pacific office said today. But outbreaks of the same virus have been reported by governments or other sources in Indonesia, Laos, and now China. Taiwan and Pakistan have reported poultry outbreaks of weaker avian flu viruses.

Xinhua, China's state news agency, reported an outbreak of H5N1 avian flu on a duck farm in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region in south-central China. Local officials destroyed 14,000 birds on farms within 3 kilometers of the affected farm on Jan 23 and quarantined all poultry within 5 kilometers, the report said. The Associated Press (AP) said the farm is about 60 miles from the Vietnamese border.

China's national reference laboratory for avian flu confirmed H5N1 virus in duck samples from the farm, Xinhua reported. The story said China has launched "nationwide preventive and control efforts" and informed the WHO and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the outbreak. The response appeared to contrast sharply with China's secretive approach in the early months of the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) epidemic there in late 2002 and early 2003.

In a joint statement today, the WHO, FAO, and OIE (World Organization for Animal Health) said the world has a chance to stave off a "human and animal pandemic" of avian flu. "We have a brief window of opportunity before us to eliminate that threat," said Dr. Jacques Diouf, FAO director-general.

The three agencies appealed for donors to provide funds and technical help to countries fighting the disease, which the statement called "a threat to human health and a disaster for agricultural production."

The groups said affected countries urgently need to kill infected and exposed animals and tightly control animal movement in affected areas. Those measures, along with compensation for farmers, will be hugely costly, officials said.

WHO Director-General Dr. Lee Jong-wook said, "We face something we can possibly control before it reaches global proportions if we work cooperatively and share needed resources. We must begin this hard, costly work now."

The WHO is trying to develop a human vaccine for the disease, but Shigeru Omi, director of the WHO's Western Pacific Region, said today that will probably take at least 6 or 7 months.

In a news briefing today, the CDC's Gerberding said an avian flu problem in the United States seems very unlikely, "but we want to be very vigilant."

The CDC has six scientists helping to investigate the widespread outbreak in Vietnam and is working with the WHO to develop a seed virus strain that could be used to make a vaccine, Gerberding said.

Earlier this winter, the CDC began stockpiling the antiviral drug oseltamivir for possible use against the ordinary human influenza A(H3N2), Gerberding said. "That proved to be a very prescient recommendation," she added. "We're in the process of acquiring a significant stockpile of drugs." WHO officials recently said tests indicated that oseltamivir could be effective against H5N1 infection, though two older antiviral drugs are not.

The CDC is not warning people against travel to countries affected by avian flu now, but travelers in those areas should avoid poultry farms, live animal markets, and surfaces contaminated with waste from infected birds, Gerberding said.

She also said clinicians should take a careful travel history from patients with flu-like illness, and patients who have such an illness should tell their physician if they traveled to affected countries.

Given the number of human cases and other evidence so far, Gerberding said it appears that the avian flu is not being transmitted efficiently from birds to humans and is not spreading from person to person at all.

Contrary to some reports, she said, "Pigs have not yet been identified as being sick [with the H5N1 virus], but we are working with other investigators to evaluate pigs on farms, especially those that have birds." Pigs are thought to have played a role in past flu pandemics by providing a vessel where avian flu viruses combined with other flu viruses to spawn dangerous new strains.

Gerberding also said the federal government has taken steps to stop the importation of birds that could be carrying the flu virus from affected countries. Exotic birds are normally quarantined at ports of entry for a time before they can be brought into the country, she added.

She said there is reason to hope that the avian flu can be contained. "It's important to remember that China did in fact contain SARS, and that was also a very, very challenging public health situation," she said. "I don't think we should be pessimistic, we should be realistic about the challenges."

See also:

Call for international assistance by FAO, OIE, and WHO
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/releases/2004/pr7/en/

WHO's Jan 27 update on avian influenza
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_01_27a/en/

Jan 27 statement by director of WHO Western Pacific Region
http://www.wpro.who.int/public/press_release/press_view.asp?id=338

[Revel]

I thought that pellet stoves had to have power to feed the pellets. Don't they have a hooper that feeds the stove via an auger or push shceme run by a motor?

[Calpernia]

More at:
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/list-nwo.htm

World Heritage List

Do you know which sites we gave up? Much of the western land is controlled by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and is now a Wilderness Area.

No, not for the wilderness of it but for the minerals.

I have old State of Arizona Mineral maps that show where the mineral deposits have been found, the areas are now closed and are under the wilderness plan. We import our minerals from overseas and an amazing amount comes from Russia.

I am out of date on this info, but it started about 1970 and continues today, as it has only been about 5 years since they took the Black Mountains into the Wilderness plan.

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I will bring info over in a minute. This post about the minerals and Wilderness Plan caught my eye.

This is similar to stories I've heard about Alaska.

The Alaskan pipeline was built in 1977 and runs from Prudhoe Bay to the southern shores of Alaska in Valdez.

Developing Alaskan oil would make the United States completely independent of oil imports.

In 1980, Lindsey Williams wrote a book, The Energy Non-Crisis, based upon his eye witness accounts during the construction of the Trans-Alaska pipeline. As a chaplain assigned to executive status and the advisory board of Atlantic Richfield & Co. (ARCO), he was privy to detailed information.

"All of our energy problems could have been solved in the '70s with the huge discovery of oil under Gull Island, Prudhoe Bay, Alaska," Williams said. "There is more pure grade oil there than in all of Sau di Arabia. Gull Island contains as much oil and natural gas as Americans could use in 200 years."

"Everything you hear on the evening news and out of Washington is garbage," said Jim Lawler, an oil production manager with ARCO. "Eight wells have already been drilled in the areas environmentalists are claiming we must not go in. We have already been in and out. There was no damage done. All we need to do is start production."

But the mainstream media is mind-molding public opinion by repeatedly showing running caribou, touting environmentalists' claims that the caribou and other endangered species and habitats would be destroyed.


Sounds like a similar situation with the minerals.

[Calpernia]

Here you go NW_AZ...

45 Communist Goals (1963)

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

[judicial meanz]

has anyone seen the Steve Quayle site? Its been updated with articles that point to a series of chemical attacks or probes of the chemical industry.

http://www.stevequayle.com/

[txhurl]

Glad to see you. You must know that you are one of our few Arabic translators... please don't stay far away from this thread...

[Revel]

Yup...That is exactly something that would have been posted back on FR when I first came here. I remember it or something like it. Then We were no longer allowed to post "conspiracy theorys". I for one think it is real.

[Domestic Church]

Pinging you to post #820 of thread #2 regarding the jihadi falcon character mentioned much earlier in the first thread and this potential connection.

Old Sarge, do you have a Homeland Security contact at NIH/CDC to pass this to?

[brucecw]

20-30 percent is a LARGE percentage -IMHO -

It is indeed a lot of people when you consider the total number of adherents to the religion. It is not, however, the majority. Many of the others who are from non-Western countries might be anti-US but not pro-terrorist - I'd be careful to draw a distinction there.

I do indeed know a few Muslims, and though the subject hasn't ome up since they're rather passing acquaintances, I really can't picture them espousing any of the extremist views that you hear from the jihadis - in fact I think they'd be appalled.

Having said that, it is my opinion that there are some serious credibility problems that Islam has from a theological viewpoint - however these have no connection to the problems that the radical Islamic theology has. There is no serious doubt in my mind that that theology represents an apostasy from any semblence of Godliness.

[Velveeta]

I hear you. There's a picture of her at the link, she was a beautiful young woman.

[nw_arizona_granny]

"Terrorist attacks in this Country"

There are many more of them then we can spot. I am a "I wanna know it all" person and had lot of trouble adjusting to the thought that there could be a reason for keeping them secret.

I will admit that if I were in charge of the country, I don't think that I would tell the truth about the attacks either.

The truth would let the terrorist know he was winning and possibly encourage him to go further than he even dreamed would be possible.

There is no way to stop the attacks, unless you get lucky with the terrorist being a foolish person, or someone tells you it is coming and from where it will come, AND when it will happen.

If the truth about the attacks were published, the liberal-commie-democrats would be marching in the streets, yelling that Bush was not doing his job and we were doing racial profiling......(of which I approve).

It would cost Bush the next election. Yes, I will vote for Bush, no, I don't think that he is perfect. He is the best and only chance we have of any survival as a country.

I don't approve of telling children a lot of things and guess that I would feel the same about the parents.

You and I can handle the truth, we are looking for it, but I know many who cannot and don't want to hear it.

Today many of the liberals are showing up on the talk shows (radio) and insisting that it was all part of the gov master plan for the ruling of America that 9-11 happened, (all Bush's fault).

I even heard one explain that the plane that hit the Pentagon, did not do so, as it is hidden in a big hanger, somewhere. Think she thought that the passengers were simply dumped in the ocean.

If you will do a simple google search for:

railroad accidents in 2003

I saw several that I had not heard of.

Ruth

[Malsua]

It does make sense to have a CO monitor in the area. But propane burns very clean and our monitor barely registers above background.

I just want to chime in on this one. Propane does burn very clean. Very little CO. However, I've found that depending on the unit and how it's metered, the level of CO varies wildly.

I have a rather sensative CO detector that I use at work because of some of the projects I work on. I also have a Nighthawk CO detector that is in constant use in my house. I've found that my MR heater on the propane tank produces almost ZERO CO but at a max of 12K BTU, that's not a big hit. A Redi-heater, 40-55k BTU produces SO much CO that you can't use it in an enclosed space for more than about 15 minutes. A Promat 10t, 40K BTU heater is a vastly better heater, producing very low levels of CO.

Definately test your heaters, but Propane can be used indoors and unvented if you monitor it. Of course, don't take my word for it. Definately don't get a propane heater if you aren't willing to spend the money to have a proper monitering system. Built in CO detectors on some good heaters are the best option.

[Domestic Church]

I agree Ma. Remember there were Russian military advisors still in Iraq as we entered!

[WestCoastGal]

Hi guys again: Sorry, I hit the private message by mistake, I guess I'm tired tonight. I wanted to post here that I don't think they will hit the electric grid because they say over and over again that we will be able to watch the attack on our satellites. They would want us to be glued to our TV's like after 9-11 which is part of their terroristic tactics.

[txhurl]

Noticing now 7:51 1/27 that this thread crawl-loads, compared to newest-posts refreshes.

Is it still abuse-button hits? Does this thread still show big CPU-allocations?