Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat

DEBKA ^ | 11/03/03

[Calpernia]

>>>"Russian nuclear forces prepare largest exercise in more than two decades next month. Several ballistic missiles and most of Russia’s strategic bomber fleet will take part in one-day simulation of nuclear conflict. DEBKAfile notes exercise comes at time of edgy Moscow-Washington relations reflected in bluntness of recent Powell talks in Kremlin"

I can't find anything about this on pravda.ru. I wonder what Debka's source is.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

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[eastforker]

OK folks, laugh break, Saddams real WMD right here, just click:http://www.funnyreign.com/saddamweapon.shtml

[Myrddin]

That is so weird. I've been having people knock on the door asking for strange things. Once, late at night, guy wanting to use the telephone. Jerks.

Never let strange people into your home to use the phone. It is a common ploy to get inside. Once inside, many bad things may occur. I lost a co-worker who generously permitted someone into her security condo to use the phone. When she turned to lead the person to the phone, the 2nd bad guy leaped into the room and cut her throat with scissors. We discovered her body when she was late returning to the office from a scheduled dental appointment that morning. Her father came to town and was so distraught that he is still wandering the streets of San Diego as a homeless person. He was totally destroyed by the murder of his daughter. Her name was Olivia Rel. She worked at 525 B Street, 15th floor.

[null and void]

first the Great War,
Here:

http://www.recycles.org/hopi/prophecy/prock-01.htm

then the Second One,
when the Swastika rose
above the battlefield of Europe
to end in the Rising Sun
sinking in a sea of blood.

The end of an Empire ....
or perhaps the beginning of another?

Now what would the third one be?

This, the Prophecy does not say.

For it depends
on which path humankind will walk:
the greed,
the comfort,
and the profit,
or the path of love,
strength,
and balance.

When strong-hearted people
keep on singing the Song of Creation,
they will find the true path,
forgotten by many,
so Grandpa David says.


And here:

http://pub40.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohibitionstuff.showMessage?topicID=89.topic

Today, almost all of the prophecies have come to pass. Great roads like rivers pass along the landscape; man talks to man through the cobwebs of his telephone lines; man travels along the roads in the sky in his airplanes; two great wars have been waged by those bearing the swastika or the rising sun; man is tampering with the moon and the stars. Most men have strayed from the path shown us by the Great Spirit." These ancient prophesies, which, amazingly, foretold of many modern inventions as well as World Wars l and ll and present day political corruption are signs of the return of Pahana, who will bring about the time of purification. Natural disasters, such as earthquakes and floods, also indicate the coming of the purification. These prophesies, which come from the Hopi and other Native American Nations, strike close to home. Martin Gasheseoma says, " The increasing earthquakes foretold in Hopi prophecy have already begun, as well as the beginning of worldwide martial law.

[thecabal]

I find it odd that we are publicly declaring that we are going to capture OBL by the end of the year. If one was a little conspiracy minded, one might think that they already got him under circumstances that wouldn't be too good to make public. So instead, they are launching a "renewed effort" to get him. It's funny how they are practically declaring that it's only a matter of time until OBL is in the bag. Hmmmmmm...

[ContemptofCourt]

Good lord, what a ridiculous comment. Russia can't even manage their own country, but they are going to take over the US after another attack by their "Al Q proxy"?!?

You guys are ridiculous.

[Letitring]

Oh, that is so sad.

No, he wasn't allowed in. Very few people are, and certainly not for something like that. The strangest thing about it and what caused the greatest flap, was how he managed to get to the front door in the first place. Aw well, that is the least of our worries, around here, anyway. :)

[Sean Osborne Lomax]

This Osama look-alike is named as Abu Saud Al Qartshani. However he appears on no list of martyred jihadists. I do not believe this is his real name, it is a nom de guerre. al-Qartshani has no reference to anything so far. It may be a nickname.

The Osama-like qualities make me wonder if he was an Osama body-double killed at Tora Bora. This hypothesis just might explain US reports from the battlefield that we had killed Osama at that time.

Hmmmm...

[knak]

Pakistan's unraveling nuclear secrets

By Arnaud de Borchgrave

Over the past two years, Pakistan's culture of denial had produced a surreal nuclear theater of the absurd. Any suggestion Pakistan's nuclear establishment was less than a paragon of nonproliferation probity was deemed beyond contempt. The father of the country's nuclear arsenal, Abdul Qadeer Khan (AQK), had been elevated to the Islamic equivalent of sainthood.

After the Prophet and Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of the Pakistani state 55 years ago, AQK was a nonpareil. AQK and his team of nuclear scientists are devout Muslim fundamentalists. But this, in turn, led AQK to pursue a hidden agenda. Even though a Sunni, AQK was nonetheless awed by the politico-religious revolution in Iran in 1979. The late President Zia ul-Haq who ruled Pakistan as a military dictator for 11 years (1977-88), also wanted his country to live under strict Islamic law (Sharia) and gave orders AQK and his team of scientists and engineers at the Khan Research Laboratories (KRL) were to be given top priority for anything they required.

In early 2001, U.S. intelligence began suspecting AQK and President Pervez Musharraf were not on the same page. In March that same year, Mr. Musharraf relieved AQK and his top scientist of direct control of the nuclear facilities. They were made nuclear advisers to the office of the president. But the nuclear horse had long bolted the Pakistani barn, surreptitiously crossing the Iranian border in 1988 to help the ayatollah's theocracy develop another Islamic bomb.

For the past two years, Mr. Musharraf suspected AQK was free-lancing his nuclear assets, but the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency kept assuring him nothing was amiss. That was hardly surprising. ISI and AQK have worked hand in glove since the very beginning of Pakistan's secret nuclear weapons program.

The Libyan dictator's decision to take the secret wraps off his own nuclear weapons program and dismantle it under international inspection was a boon to IAEA's nuclear inspectors. Suddenly, Col. Moammar Gadhafi, suitably impressed by U.S. military capabilities in Iraq, had no compunction about leaking secrets that led to a Pakistani and Iranian connection. Libya over the years had given Pakistan about $100 million for know-how — and international nuclear black market connections — on centrifuges to enrich uranium to weapons grade quality. The technology, according to IAEA, was the same in Libya and Iran, which in turn had obtained it from AQK and his team. AQK had stolen the entire plan for a centrifuge facility where he had worked in the Netherlands.

Pakistan's transfer of nuclear secrets to North Korea did not come under the rubric of an Islamist bomb. It was a straight exchange for the Korean missiles Pakistan needed as delivery vehicles for its nuclear weapons.

Speaking at the World Economic Forum, Mr. Musharraf conceded what he had long denied. Pakistan's top nuclear scientists had provided nuclear assistance to Iran's nuclear ambitions. The reaction in Pakistan was predictable. "Busharraf," as his legions of Pakistani detractors and enemies mock him, had buckled yet again under U.S. pressure.

Pakistan's secrets were unraveling like a knitting ball of wool that falls to the floor. A former army chief of staff, Gen. Aslam Beg, and a former ISI chief, Gen. Hamid Gul, are fundamentalists who have backed AQK's nuclear grand design.

Mr. Musharraf's inclination is to pick up the ball and rewind the wool. Trials for treason of AQK or any of his top nuclear scientists would not only trigger a nationwide upheaval by MMA, a coalition of six politico-military parties that now govern two of Pakistan's four provinces, but dangerous splits in ISI and the all-powerful military establishment.

Mr. Musharraf had trouble making himself heard in parliament last month when MMA and other parties jeered him throughout his 40-minute plea to moderates "to wage jihad against extremism." He warned lawmakers against an "intolerant society" that is giving Pakistan "a negative image." His blunt language was music only to American and Indian ears.

The army engineered the ouster of Benazir Bhutto as prime minister in 1990 because she tried to get a handle on Pakistan's nuclear program. Since Mr. Musharraf took over in October 1999, much clandestine nuclear activity by the country's Islamist scientists and engineers has been carried out by giving the president plausible deniability.

He did not know, for instance, prior to the ouster of the Taliban by U.S. forces in October 2001, that two nuclear experts had traveled to Kandahar to confer with Mullah Omar, the Taliban chief, and Osama bin Laden. When the story leaked, the government quickly explained they were in Afghanistan to offer expertise for an agricultural project. And when journalists tried to interview them, they were suddenly on temporary duty in Burma — and therefore beyond anyone's reach. The scuttlebutt in Islamabad is they went to Kandahar to teach al Qaeda how to engineer "a dirty radiation bomb," conventional explosives wrapped around fissionable material.

Even though Pakistani authorities detained a dozen nuclear experts for extensive "debriefings," the temptation for time-tested, but not time-proven, denials resurfaced at week's end. The blame was now assigned to an international black market in nuclear bomb-making technology — and one or two Pakistani experts let filthy lucre get the better of them. Muhammad Farooq, AQK's top assistant in charge of foreign procurement, was assigned the fall guy role. But Mr. Farooq wasn't prepared to do the honors. He, in turn, fingered AQK — and the country gasped.

Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan's nukes, is worshipped by most Pakistanis, but Mr. Musharraf has now begun chipping at the pedestal. The Pakistani president has survived six assassination plots and two recent attempts on his life within 11 days. He has now authorized leaks about AQK's nuclear free-lancing in Iran and Libya. The leaks even suggested the saintly figure of AQK had filled his own pockets, too. Whether Mr. Musharraf is fearless or foolhardy remains to be determined.

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[thecabal]

Good lord, what a ridiculous comment. Russia can't even manage their own country, but they are going to take over the US after another attack by their "Al Q proxy"?!?

You guys are ridiculous.

So I take it that means we won't see you again on this ridiculous thread?

[knak]

This guys pic has been on the net for a long time. I've seen it quite a few times. I'll try to find him again.

[Sean Osborne Lomax]

By your comment I take it you have bought into the collapse of communist Russia fable hook, line and sinker?

I suggest you read up on Anatoliy Golitsyn. "New Lies For Old" and "The Perestroika Deception" are a logical place to start.

Perhaps you missed the post about Ayman al-Zawahiri's Russian Adventure. If this is so, then feast your disbelieving eyes on this...it is far from being ridiculous, sir.

"Ayman al-Zawahiri's Russian Adventure"
by J. R. Nyquist


A fascinating piece by Andrew Higgins and Alan Cullison recently appeared in The Wall Street Journal [July 2] with the title: “How a Secret, Failed Trip to Chechnya Turned Key Plotter’s Focus to America and bin Laden.” The key plotter in this case was 9/11 mastermind and bin Laden’s Egyptian lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri. The article’s title suggests that Zawahiri’s failure to settle in Chechnya (due to his “detention” by the KGB/FSB in 1996-97) led him to Afghanistan and an alliance with bin Laden. But according to ranking U.S. terrorism expert, Yossef Bodansky, Egyptian Jihad leader Zawahiri was preparing a massive terrorist assault on America as early as 1993, years before he “disappeared” into Russia for six months.

Dressed in Western-style clothing with his beard shaved, the university-educated Zawahiri had long worked in Europe, organizing an elite network specifically designed for “future terror operations” against the United States. Bodansky alleges that Zawahiri established his operational headquarters in Geneva Switzerland in early 1994. In addition to this, Zawahiri mobilized Islamist Bosnian forces in the aftermath of the Yugoslav breakup. His command center for the Balkans was located in Sofia, Bulgaria. It is hard to believe this was done without the full knowledge and consent of the Moscow-directed and trained Bulgarian secret police. It is also hard to believe that the KGB/FSB later had Zawahiri in their custody for six months without knowing who he was (as alleged by Wall Street Journal writers Higgins and Cullison).

An inconsistency in the story of Zawahiri’s Russian adventure also appears in the fact that he did not simply go to “independent” Chechnya, but was arrested after crossing over into Russian-held Dagestan. In addition, Higgins and Cullison tell us that Zawahiri arrived in Russia after visiting China where he had money dealings with a mainland Chinese bank in Guangdong province. One ought to ask what kind of Islamist sets up a command center in Bulgaria, does banking in China and pays extended visits to Russia?

Radical Islam was long ago infiltrated by Moscow’s agents -- as evidenced by East German and Cuban support for the Saudi Islamists who attacked the Grand Mosque in 1979, as well as the KGB’s clandestine role in provoking the Iranian hostage crisis during the Carter administration (see Bodansky’s Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America, p. 9). It is therefore unlikely that the Russians would fail to identify Zawahiri (as he was the most important Egyptian terrorist in the Islamist movement). They knew they had an Arab in custody. Any Arabist in the Russian intelligence service would be able to tell an Egyptian from a local yokel. Furthermore, since Moscow was secretly supporting the Serbs against the Bosnians in Yugoslavia, the Kremlin could not have missed Zawahiri’s activities in organizing resistance to the Moscow-backed Yugoslav central government. But things are not so simple in “former” communist countries. As with the Chechen War, the civil war following the breakup of Yugoslavia has an interesting pre-history in the literature of Russian grand strategy.

In his 1982 book, We Will Bury You, Czech communist defector Jan Sejna described Moscow’s long-range strategy in detail. With reference to Yugoslavia, Sejna wrote that Moscow “intended to exploit the nationalities question by infiltrating the nationalist [i.e., Croation, Serbian and Bosnian] leadership, and to penetrate the various opposition movements….” If Yugoslavia fell into the hands of a pro-Western group, wrote Sejna, “the Russians would try to break up Yugoslavia into separate states….”

It is highly probable that clandestine Kremlin support was funneled to double agents within Bosnia via Zawahiri in Bulgaria. Such incitement would bind Belgrade to Moscow once and for all while leaving a useful Muslim front organization in Bosnia with which to attack future Western targets. Controlling both sides in the Yugoslav civil war meant that the conflict in the Balkans could be used to bring whatever results the strategists in Moscow desired. “The Soviet objective,” wrote Sejna, “was to destroy [Yugoslavia’s] established economic order to enable their own agents to emerge at the top….” As convoluted as this sounds, the breakup of Yugoslavia did occur as Sejna’s 1982 testimony suggested it would. In this regard we are left to wonder about the true role of 9/11 mastermind Zawahiri, who not only operated against Yugoslavia by way of “former” communist Bulgaria, but who later traveled to communist China and then to Russia where he was swallowed up for six months only to emerge in May 1997.

Given Zawahiri’s travels to Russia and China, given the full context of Russia’s double game in Chechnya (described in last week’s column), we ought to entertain the possibility that China and Russia secretly supported the terrorists who attacked America on 9/11.

Higgins and Cullison report that the Russians released bin Laden’s Egyptian lieutenant, Zawahiri, returning his cash, communications gear and computer (its documents allegedly unread by the Russian secret police). This is not characteristic of an intelligence service that has successfully arrested and executed countless foreign spies, making the penetration of Russia’s inner sanctum virtually impossible. But when it comes to an Egyptian (Zawahiri) who suddenly appears in Russia, the infamous KGB suddenly turns “nice” and “stupid.” They are unable to identify him and uninterested in reading the documents on his hard drive. Does this sound as implausible to you as it does to me?

Higgins and Cullison say that after “Dr. Zawahiri’s” release, he “spent 10 days meeting secretly with Islamists in Dagestan. ”One of Zawahiri’s men even met with Chechnya’s resident Arab terrorist, Abu Khattab (a close associate of Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev, suspected by many observers of being the secret creature of the Russian General Staff). Not surprisingly, Zawahiri’s disappearance into the bowels of Russia led to “intense questioning” by his followers. Higgins and Cullison admit that Zawahiri lied about his Russian adventure. He made up a story about being kidnapped by a criminal gang. Then Zawahiri “developed an ulcer.”

Why should an honest Islamist leader lie to his followers about a visit to Russia?

The idea that bin Laden and Zawahiri are authentic Muslim believers may be naïve. In politics one should never take a profession of faith at face value. Such professions are sometimes used to manipulate simple-minded followers. In the case of al Qaeda, why believe in the piety of leaders who are proven liars and murderers? Why accept the religious pretensions of people who not only act like communist revolutionaries, but who hold super-secret meetings in “former” communist countries (e.g., Albania, Bulgaria, China and Russia) under the auspices of the KGB or its sister services?

Those who are naïve about international politics will remain naïve about Ayman al-Zawahiri. He is one of those radicals calling for “maximum casualties” in America. One ought to wonder, given the number of Muslims killed by the Russians in Afghanistan and Chechnya why Zawahiri doesn’t call for “maximum casualties” in Russia. America has not invaded and occupied Muslim territory. Meanwhile Chinese and Russian troops stand guard over the Islamic people of Central Asia.

On Monday Reuters reported that bin Laden is planning “more attacks” on the United States. No attacks have been announced against Moscow or the overtly “godless” regime in Beijing.

Are we beginning to understand that there is a method to bin Laden’s madness?



© 2002 Jeffrey R. Nyquist
July 16, 2002


http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2002/0716.htm

[milkncookies]

Just because you're a lawyer doesn't mean you have to act like the stereotype. A personal insult is bad enough, but multiple personal insults is indicative of a fat head.
Why take the time to post what you did in this thread if you don't like what you read?
Please, go elsewhere and be productive, don't stay here and be condescending.

[jerseygirl]

Greetings everyone! Haven't been on in a several days- trying to catch up with almost 2000 posts.

[milkncookies]

  Just so you know where COC is coming from:

Rumor: OBL IN CUSTODY

      Posted by ContemptofCourt to John H K On News/Activism 01/23/2004 12:58:19 PM CST #101 of 111

Personally, I think that most of them are looking for a way to use up their Y2k stash. Of course, I did get shouted down when I made reference to the Y2K fearmongering going on over there.

Hell, they have 1,000 threads about the importance of a "missing" fruit vendor on a NYC street corner.

[Iron Eagle]

No -- I have been on this thread since the 7,000's of thread one. I love this stuff. It's like reading a Clancy novel.

It is pure entertainment.

On Feb 5 when we all wakeup and trudge off to our jobs, this thread will keep on rolling with the impending Valentines Attack. Then Easter, then Flag day, the Fourth of July, Labor Day, and then buckle up for another 911 anniversary.

The great thing about this thread is no level wrongness will stop the speculation.

And, frankly, I think it is fine and healthy. So long as we are not trying to scare people. Vigilance is necessary, I agree. And, I don't doubt that AQ sympathizers will strike somewhere, at sometime, in the U.S. But it is more likely to be snipers, car bombs, and other attacks.

Of course, I could be wrong. They might be waiting for the official announcement that we captured Bin Laden. (That was like last Thursday wasn't it. SHHHHHHHH -- don't tell anyone)

I will say it again. AQ has nothing. Zip, nada, bukus. In 2001 they attacked us with pocket knives and mace. They had no weapons so they used our plans. But now, since then, they have gone nuclear? Hell, Saddam couldn't go nuclear in thirty years, and he spent billions trying, not to mention the help he received from France et. al. (i love the story that Bin Laden bought nukes from the Russians for 30 million. Why on earth would the Russians sell them to him, when he led their expulsion from Afghanistan. They could have sold them for much more to their friend and ally, Saddam!)

Anyway, I love reading this stuff, and I would not discourage anyone from writing it -- though I would discourage anyone from believing it.

I continue to tune in, and I look forward to the next episode of 24! (this is the spin-off, right?)

[steve86]

Russia can't even manage their own country, but they are going to take over the US after another attack by their "Al Q proxy"?!?

You show contempt for the obvious. Are you denying that Russia has the capability to launch nuclear weapons against the United States?

[Letitring]

I have noticed a pattern. Everytime Mr. Osborn posts over here, you guys hike it over here to naysay. Lemme tell ya, I hope you are right. If you aren't, I won't expect an apology for derisive comments, because you, like the rest of us, won't be able to get here. Meanwhile, here's hoping you find a thread more conducive to your beliefs.

[Letitring]

Amazing how they feel 'compelled' to come in here and set us all straight, isn't it?