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Mission to Mars is possible as a one-way trip
newsfromrussia.com ^ | 1-20-04 | newsfromrussia.com

Posted on 01/22/2004 1:35:59 AM PST by ambrose

Mission to Mars is possible as a one-way trip

According to Paul Davis, the Australian philosopher from Astrobiology Center, the main obstacle for fulfilling the plans of subjugating Mars in 2030 will be high expenses. Mars- populating with people can be affordable only under the condition of one-way flights to this planet. The expenses for such expeditions will be reduced twofold if astronauts are required to stay in Mars and not to return to the Earth, wrote in the New York Times Paul Davis, the Australian philosopher from Astrobiology Center, the author of the book ?Fifth Wonder: Research of Arising Life and its Value¦.

Davis wrote that those flying to Mars will never come back. The expenses for fuel for starting the rocket from Mars and flying to the Earth will be too high. A group of scientists or astronauts will be brought to Mars along with hi-tech equipment and small nuclear reactor, and they will be able to produce oxygen, water and food. Every two years when Mars has an optimal orbit, NASA will be able to deliver supplies to the ?colonists¦ and send new astronauts to Mars. This is the only way to maintain existence the human colony on Mars.

The philosopher believes that NASA secretly analyzed such a scenario.

"An American scientist told me that he was trained for flight to the Moon before the Apollo program realization¦, Davis wrote. According to him, the history of research is the history of heroic sacrifice.

"I am working with young people who are ready to go to Mars even on such terms¦, the scientist said. ?However, it would be more reasonable to send more mature people to Mars, those who have the biggest part of his/her life behind. Mars-s attractive power less than on the Earth, strong radiation, hostile environment, difficulties, lack of medical care will produce negative impact to the health of any person". But the first explorers of Mars will fulfill the important task of founding the colony.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: majortom; mars; martians

1 posted on 01/22/2004 1:35:59 AM PST by ambrose
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To: Phil V.
ping
2 posted on 01/22/2004 1:36:21 AM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
In a word, nutbag. With nuke or nuke electric propulsion, his arguement goes out the window. Not that he had much of one to begin with.
3 posted on 01/22/2004 1:49:07 AM PST by chmst
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To: chmst
No, he's right on the money. The biggest sticking point to a trip to Mars isn't getting there, but getting back.
4 posted on 01/22/2004 1:53:10 AM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
A group of scientists or astronauts will be brought to Mars along with hi-tech equipment and small nuclear reactor, and they will be able to produce oxygen, water and food.

Sounds great. I want to see this working on the moon before I trust my life to it.

But the idea of sending unmanned robot ships to carry food and supplies is something to consider, whether or not we call it a one-way trip for the human explorers. We could pre-position everything needed for a couple of years survival, and even pre-position 100% backup, or 300% backup, whether in orbit or in on the ground. When the crew arrived in their ship there could be several shiploads of equipment already there waiting for them. Telemetry could assure the condition of their supplies before they ever leave earth.

If it was me I would want plenty of backup, and the tools for repairs. If it takes 6 months or a year to get parts, you had better have plenty of parts on hand and a machine shop to make what you don't have.

You are not going to go to such lengths just to provide your crew with a Martian retirement home, the point in going is that there is plenty to do, I am convinced they should make subsoil mapping a high priority. That means carrying a lot of specialized equipment along with them. And the tools to fix it.

No one is going to volunteer for a suicide mission, though, and if they would they may not be stable for the long haul in any case. You have to provide a way to get out if everything goes wrong.

5 posted on 01/22/2004 1:58:37 AM PST by marron
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To: ambrose
I hear Mosely-Braun is available. Maybe she has friends there.
6 posted on 01/22/2004 1:59:21 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: marron
Let's not get bogged down in making this 100% safe. Instead, let's accept that it is not safe, and find hearty souls who choose the danger anyway. These are the type of people we want as colonists on a new world, not nervous pansies who will run away from the opportunity to make history becase it might be dangerous.
7 posted on 01/22/2004 2:28:22 AM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
There are different levels of safe. Someone who sets out to climb Mount Everest does not measure safety the same way an office guy does, he has specialized skills and specialized knowledge that makes certain things safe for him that would be foolhardy for someone else.

That doesn't mean he is not concerned about safety, since he's the one doing it, he's probably very focused on equipment, backup, backup plans, and so forth. He will do everything he can to make sure he gets home to drink that victory beer afterward. No one wants to die from something stupid.

But its still dangerous, and plenty of would-be Everest climbers don't come back. You make it as safe as you can, but in the end you still have to go up the side of the mountain.
8 posted on 01/22/2004 2:43:29 AM PST by marron
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To: ambrose
A Tradition That Embraces Looking to the Heavens***In the last decade of the 16th century, Rabbi Judah Loew of Prague argued that human intellect, because it is married to the image of God, "transcends" nature: It is only properly utilized when it flexes its muscles and unlocks all the secrets that can be known. In other words, it is inherent in our very humanity that, within the realm of the permissible, "we can do" morphs into "we must do." It is this spirit that drives us to explore our solar system.***
9 posted on 01/22/2004 2:53:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Caipirabob
Maybe she can get a picture of the flag while she's there.
10 posted on 01/22/2004 4:05:43 AM PST by Mean Daddy
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To: ambrose
This brings to mind all those who I would like to see make the one way trip.
11 posted on 01/22/2004 7:29:09 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: Mean Daddy
I thought that was SJ Lee.
12 posted on 01/22/2004 7:41:31 AM PST by fishtank
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To: ambrose
The biggest sticking point to a trip to Mars isn't getting there, but getting back.

Getting back is harder, but hardly impossible. Using a combination of earth orbit rendezvous, mars orbit rendezvous and mars surface rendezvous, we may be able to do it with current launchers, given that we have to get the Russians to launch the crew. Mars direct ascent isn't doable in the forseeable future, but I don't know why you would want to do it that way anyway.

13 posted on 01/22/2004 7:54:43 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: ambrose
>But the first explorers of Mars will fulfill the important task of founding the colony.

The First Fleet was frighteningly underprepared for the task which faced it. Little was known about the climate, animal or plant life of the land mass, and many of Cook's encounters with the Aborigines had been hostile, at least in part. As Cook said in his diaries,"All they seem'd to want for us was to be gone".

The Fleet consisted mainly of convicts with officers to guard them. There were many more men than women - around four men for every woman - and this caused problems in the settlement for many years.

Few people in the Fleet had any experience of cultivating the land and this, combined with poor soil in the area, lead to the development of farms around Parramatta, but, more seriously, to near starvation in the first years of settlement. Food shortages were severe and the fledgling colony eagerly awaited on the arrival of the Second Fleet in 1790.

The Second Fleet did provide badly needed food and supplies, but created other problems for the new colony. 48 people had died on the voyage of the First Fleet, this had risen to 278 on the Second Fleet voyage. Sickness and disease were so rife, most of those who survived were barely able to walk, the Fleet has come to be known as the 'Death Fleet'.

In spite of the problems, however, the settlement grew, and is now the site of Australia's largest city - Sydney.

[European Discovery and Settlement of Australia]

14 posted on 01/22/2004 8:00:00 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Phil V.; RadioAstronomer
Want a One way ticket?
15 posted on 01/22/2004 8:10:09 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: ambrose
Now who should go to Mars? Let me think...

Mars is dry, like a big desert. What kind of people would be happy living in a desert? Also, what kind of people can't seem to handle the fact that other people on the planet are different than them?

Yep, raise that crescent flag over Mars. All yours, guys. No Christians, no Jews, and you can have your 14th century laws. I don't see a downside here.
16 posted on 01/22/2004 8:17:43 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: ambrose
Send Dean. Angry red planet, angry red Democrat. Seems poetic somehow.....
17 posted on 01/22/2004 8:28:13 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: marron
No one is going to volunteer for a suicide mission, though...

Oh, I'm not so sure about that. This world is full of all kinds, and I can imagine people like the characters in the film "Contact" being both qualified and willing.

18 posted on 01/22/2004 8:33:00 AM PST by Petronski (I'm *NOT* always *CRANKY.*)
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To: ambrose
Paul "One-Way" Davis
19 posted on 01/22/2004 8:38:17 AM PST by Consort
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To: Our man in washington
>Yep, raise that crescent flag over Mars. All yours, guys.

How ironic, as
it was our space program that
convinced some Muslims

that we were living
in the End Times the Quran
prophesied about:

Sura 54 is entitled, "The Moon" and starts right away by giving us the news about the splitting of the moon as a sign of the end of the world. It is interesting to know that of all the available translations of the Quran , it was only Dr. Khalifa's translation that pointed to the fulfillment of this prophecy and pointed exactly to the mathematical miracle of the Quran and its relation to the splitting of the moon.

Let us focus on verse [54:1]: “The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer”

Here is Dr.Khalifa’s footnote on the verse is very interesting and enlightening: “ This important sign of the approaching end of the world came to pass in 1969 when humans landed on the moon and brought pieces of the moon to earth. At the same time, God’s mathematical Miracle was being gradually unveiled. Traditional Muslims opposed it, since it exposed the fallacy of their practices.”

[SPLITTING OF THE MOON, A MIRACLE OF QURAN]

20 posted on 01/22/2004 2:04:57 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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