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| 1-21-04
| Joseph Farah
Posted on 01/20/2004 10:41:23 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: zook
"The National Population Council reported that 9.9 million Mexicans call America home and that more than 7.82 million of those - or 79 percent - do not have U.S. citizenship. It did not break down how many had legal residence papers."
"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."
Yes, I'm one of the 83%
zook, quit pretending these polls don't exist.
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posted on
01/21/2004 7:40:35 AM PST
by
B4Ranch
(Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
To: dts32041
Please don't confuse the Perpetually P.O.ed with "conservatives."
Most conservatives understand that we are in a country where 35-45% of the electorate is socialist in all but name and any far right candidate would be annhilated.
Since we care about actually having power (rather than the warm glow of knowing we are "right" and "pure of heart") true conservatives reject the siren song of the "true" conservative parties.
These are actually instruments to DEFEAT any chance of conservative power.
322
posted on
01/21/2004 7:42:14 AM PST
by
justshutupandtakeit
(America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
To: Dane
"face the facts that there are not going to me mass deportations of people picking lettuce to make a living."
12 million people picking lettuce for a living? Wow! That's one helluva lotta lettuce growing in America.
323
posted on
01/21/2004 7:42:38 AM PST
by
B4Ranch
(Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
To: Dane
Also, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. This shouldn't sit well with anyone, but conservatives are the most alarmed by it. The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. This puts the lie to the concept that such immigration is actually "beneficial". Yes, some people who are coming ARE a net benefit. But those people are dwarfed by those who actually cost us money.Copyright, 2004, LizMichael.com, http://www.lizmichael.com .
That still leaves 6+ million picking lettuce, Dane.
___________________SITUATION REPORT______________________
Twenty years ago a high school drop out could get a job in construction, trucking, or manufacturing, and still do pretty well for himself. Well enough to own a car and afford some type of housing, by the age of twenty.
One by one these jobs have been outsourced, or filled by a wage suppressing immigrant, lowering the expectation and living standard of many Americans. Such is not suppose to be the case. In raising the boat of third world nations we have sunk the boats of many average Americans. Meanwhile those that stick it out through college are finding their jobs outsourced and their options limited.
Why do you think so many people my age are enraged, we know what has happened, we know America is being stripmined, and youth who has never known anything else, raised in the fed propaganda camps, have no clue of how badly they have been robbed.
You are merely parroting the propaganda of the enemy like a good little public school student. There are not that many white collar jobs and in fact all jobs have been artificially manipulated out of the country, or by immigrants in country all due to deadly socialist government policies and freedom robbing Free Trade.
52 posted on 01/14/2004 5:15:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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324
posted on
01/21/2004 7:46:30 AM PST
by
B4Ranch
(Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
To: ksen
It's funny that this guy was considered a brilliant writer when his pen was aimed at X-42. But now that President Bush's actions and words are under scrutiny he suddenly becomes a nut. This seems to happen a lot. You guys are unreal. I'll ask this question I've asked before and not yet received an answer for:
Whatever happened to keeping President Bush's feet to the fire?
That is what the rabid Bush supporters promised they would do if he won the election. I have seen no feet being held to any fire, just a swooning over some vague notion that throwing the Treasury doors open is part of some masterful strategery on President Bush's part.
BUMP to your comments. The hypocrisy is staggering.
325
posted on
01/21/2004 7:48:32 AM PST
by
BureaucratusMaximus
(Principled conservatives need not apply...we're all centrists now. Shut up & pay your taxes.)
To: B4Ranch
Zook, here's some more polls for you to ponder over.
Republicans were equally skeptical of the president's immigration plan, with 52 percent expressing disapproval and 34 percent warm to the idea.
A New York Times poll released Sunday echoed those results. Two-thirds of those polled said they disliked Mr. Bush's plan, and a plurality of those asked said immigration should be decreased, not increased.
A Gallup/USA Today poll released Jan. 13 showed that 55 percent disapproved of legalizing illegal immigrants, with 42 percent in favor. Among low-income respondents, an even greater majority opposed the plan.
Gallup also found that 74 percent of respondents, in general, were opposed to aiding undocumented workers, up from 67 percent who felt that way in August 2001.
Remember who is losing jobs, OUR poor and OUR middle class citizens. I don't want them on welfare programs at the rate that we have Illegals on welfare programs too!
326
posted on
01/21/2004 8:06:21 AM PST
by
B4Ranch
(Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
To: zook
Sodeline question: Have you nopticed the wqater shortage out West? Where in the hell are we going to get the water for another 50 to 70 MILLION people?
327
posted on
01/21/2004 8:07:41 AM PST
by
B4Ranch
(Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
To: onyx
In so far as he's gotten a tax cut and kept us strong on National Defense. Those are important issues. But I was not talking about personality nor his policies. I was talking about the similarities in where Bush is on the political spectrum. To me growing gov just does not wash. We may wind up having to pay for it in the long run.
I may wind up voting for Bush, but will hold my nose when doing so.
328
posted on
01/21/2004 8:09:06 AM PST
by
jaugust
(Old Curmudgeon)
To: onyx
Well all right! I thought it might be you. :)I made sure my picture was "family friendly", in the spirit of this forum! LOL :)
329
posted on
01/21/2004 9:00:01 AM PST
by
BigSkyFreeper
(All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
To: B4Ranch
12 million people picking lettuce for a living? Wow! That's one helluva lotta lettuce growing in America.Yep, no American is going to pick lettuce for the amount of cabbage they pay an hour.
330
posted on
01/21/2004 9:01:59 AM PST
by
BigSkyFreeper
(All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
To: The_Eaglet
G.H.W. Bush was held accountable for his actions. Yep. And tho' I wasn't yet able to vote in that election, I didn't see much that was "far right" about the GOP platform, as indicated by #95.
331
posted on
01/21/2004 9:06:42 AM PST
by
k2blader
(¡Vote Bush, Amexicanos y Amexicanas!)
To: RiflemanSharpe
I agree, 41 opened the door for Perot and that gave us Clinton. And no I did not vote for Perot. But I fear that GWB's shift to the left will give us Kerry or Dean.Yep. As long as there are those voters who will stand there in the polling booth stewing in their own juices as they write in Tancredo or some other Candidate X, then Kerry or Dean will win. Wresting back control of the House, the Senate, and the White House, wiping away all those gains Conservatives made from 1994 to 2000.
332
posted on
01/21/2004 9:12:39 AM PST
by
BigSkyFreeper
(All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
To: BigSkyFreeper
I for one am tired of voting for the lessor of two evils. I will not vote for a Rino.
333
posted on
01/21/2004 9:14:35 AM PST
by
RiflemanSharpe
(An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
To: Theodore R.
Karl Rove better undergo the therapy that Howard Dean was recommending for Bush. The whole thing can deteriorate in the next month right before our eyes.I don't give a rip what Dean says to who or where. He's the radical left. If you take suggestions from a madman, I suggest you start shopping around for a second opinion. Dean isn't worthy of even a moderate Conservative vote.
334
posted on
01/21/2004 9:14:54 AM PST
by
BigSkyFreeper
(All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
To: RiflemanSharpe
Well, to each their own. I'm not planning on making the same mistake twice.
335
posted on
01/21/2004 9:17:09 AM PST
by
BigSkyFreeper
(All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
To: BigSkyFreeper
For me it is not a mistake. My vote does not matter. I live in TX, if GWB is in danger of losing TX then he has lost to many other states to hope to win.
336
posted on
01/21/2004 9:18:54 AM PST
by
RiflemanSharpe
(An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
To: Fledermaus
Unfortunately, I read the other day that his site is the most read political site on the net.
To: RiflemanSharpe
In certain respects, it's true for everyone. I've been trying to vote out a radical leftwinged Senator Baucus from the Montana representation in the Senate, but he's one of those Senators that most Montanan's recognize by name only and campaigns as a RINO.
338
posted on
01/21/2004 9:23:55 AM PST
by
BigSkyFreeper
(All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
To: Texasforever
I all depends if Nader runs again. Without Nader, Gore would win by landslide in 2000.
339
posted on
01/21/2004 9:29:25 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(pay no attention to the man behind the curtain , the hand of free market must be invisible)
To: JustPiper
Now Joseph Farah is touting the merits of John Kerry, the "smooth, mature politician." So, you guys are all going commit political hari-kari over the single issue of immigration. You're incessant posts on this topic are getting tedious. If you didn't lick your lips every time Bush's polling numbers dip a point or two, people around here (other than your own peanut gallery) might take you seriously.
340
posted on
01/21/2004 9:33:56 AM PST
by
My2Cents
("Failure is not an option.")
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