State of the Union "Guestworker"/Illegal Immigration Action

Federation for American Immigration Reform ^ | Jan 20, 2004 | staff

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Title: State of the Union Immigration Action Source: FAIR / Federation for American Immigration Reform (Wash., D.C.) URL Source: http://www.fairus.org Published: Jan 20, 2004 Author: Federation for American Immigration Reform

Legislative Update January 20, 2004 They're baaack! Tonight at 9:00 p.m., the president will present his annual State of the Union speech before a joint session of the House and Senate. During his speech, President Bush is widely expected to discuss the proposal he made on January 7 for a sweeping amnesty and guestworker program. New Poll Shows Bush a Loser on Amnesty and Guestworkers Clearly, the president is ignoring the views of the general public. A new poll by CBS News and the New York Times shows Bush's approval rating down 10 points, from 60 percent to 50 percent, since his amnesty/guestworker announcement. Meanwhile the poll finds the president's disapproval rating has risen to 45 percent. CBS attributes the abrupt change to three factors, not least of which is his immigration proposal.

Many thanks to all of you for your overwhelming response to our Action Alerts for calls, e-mails, and faxes letting the president and members of the House and Senate know how you feel about Bush's proposal. It has made a big difference already, but we're not out of the woods yet. Please keep it up by calling the White House at 202-456-1111 and by using your Legislative Action Center to help you send a free fax to your members of the House and Senate.

Hagel and Daschle to Introduce Amnesty Legislation This week, Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) and Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) may introduce legislation responding to President Bush's amnesty/guestworker proposal. While none of the details are known as yet, the legislation is widely expected to be even more far-reaching than the president's plan. The Hagel-Daschle plan is expected to differ from Bush's, for example by offering citizenship to illegal aliens on an accelerated basis. You can contact Senator Hagel to let him know your views by calling his office at 202-224-4224 or send him an e-mail at http://hagel.senate.gov/email/contact.html. Senator Daschle's leadership office can be reached by calling 202-224-5556 or by e-mail at mailto:tom_daschle@daschle.senate.gov. Please feel free to use the talking points contained in the Alert linked above.

[hawk1]

Whatever euphemisms Bush uses it still in effect will be an amnesty. Your friend is correct.

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Tonight I also ask you to reform our immigration laws, so they reflect our values and benefit our economy. I propose a new temporary worker program to match willing foreign workers with willing employers, when no Americans can be found to fill the job. This reform will be good for our economy - because employers will find needed workers in an honest and orderly system. A temporary worker program will help protect our homeland - allowing border patrol and law enforcement to focus on true threats to our national security. I oppose amnesty, because it would encourage further illegal immigration and unfairly reward those who break our laws. My temporary worker program will preserve the citizenship path for those who respect the law, while bringing millions of hardworking men and women out from the shadows of American life.


1. How do they benefit "our" economy when its been proven a net drain on the economy?

2. What is the criteria for matching American workers with those jobs? If the employer wants to pay $5.15 for a job that merits $15 plus benefits, is he then free to give that job to an illegal rather than pay an American a liveable wage?

3. Who will monitor those Employers to make certain they offered the job to American first? Will a whole new bureaucracy have to be created to monitor them?

4. Employers obviously have no problem breaking the laws already on the books, what penalties will you enforce if they break these new proposals?

[onyx]

So if he said the sky was orange you'd believe it?

Come on. Get real.

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[Redbob]

This was the one big stumble in Bush's speech tonight; the reception he got wasn't even "lukewarm."

And that was from the GOP...

[Mo1]

Does it matter to me if "the majority of the country has no clue who he (Tancredo) is" ..not one bit.

Fine

[CWOJackson]

Tancredo? Wasn't he one of the alien characters in Star Wars?

[Zipporah]

I left off the 'sarcasm' sorry...but my point being, Bush can call it anything he wants, he can get out the thesaurus, but what the truth of the matter is, he is going to legalize illegal aliens working here, taking American jobs.

[deport]

I believe Tancredo and others have bills filed and pending prior to President Bush making a proposal in Dec. I'm not sure but I don't think they filed their legislation after the President's proposal.

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Excellent point, Brian.

[Tempest]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=323325&mesg_id=323364&page=


The DU would like to thank you

[Zipporah]

Not sure either I'd have to check the date/s.. It's unfortunate but those who are defending this (unless of course they have agendas that the proposal will fill) will have to live with this and more unfortunately, so will their children and grandchildren.

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I'm not against tough enforcement, but if you think that under current law and practice, even "tough" enforcement is going to identify and remove 10% of the illegals, I think you're dreaming.

The current laws need to be changed to include Employers who hire Illegals be subject to the RICO Act. That will dry up the jobs for illegals. Follow up with a no anchor baby proposal and zero public assistance. Those simple steps will have them deporting themselves. It's a win-win for the American Taxpayer! We not only will reap billions from RICO, but we'll save on the public assistance that has our State taxes going thru the roof. We'll save our hospitals and insurance rates as well.

[Zipporah]

So are you saying that it's impossible or unpatriotic to challenge the president regarding policy or that you are siding with the 'enemy'? When you believe that something is very wrong for the country, then it would be unthinkable not to speak out.

[ohioWfan]

Not accusing YOU, Zipporah, but there tend to be a LOT of overly emotional, irrational people on these threads......in fact, I'm quite sure that the very PURPOSE of this poster was to draw out those emotional types...... and rational thought does NOT tend to be the order of the day.

I have rational thoughts, having read varying opinions on this PROPOSAL, and I am skeptical, but think that it might lead to a real, and much needed discussion on the issue in Congress.

And that, I believe, is a good thing.

(And voting for Tancredo is tantamount to flushing your vote down the drain......OR worse).

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Why? They have more in common with YOU and the Bush hidden amnesty than they do with us.

[ZULU]

Posting this soon at petitiononline.com, unless someone else wants to - feel free to beat me to it. I'll sign it.

I just don't want to help the Dems defeat Bush. My disappointment with him on this issue is far overshadowed by the contempt, hatred, and disdain I have for the evil, traitorous, treacherous, mendacious DemonRats. (Did you see Pelosi's eyes? How about Hitlery getting taken by surprise by the camera, and then mugging a smile?

How about "Teddy" the bloated bar-boy?? (Anybody know his favorite booze?? I'd like to send him several free cases as a gift. It might induce him to drink himself to the point of explosion.)



Petition:

As the President of the United States has proposed an immigration reform program to benefit illegal aliens living in America and those American employers who have violated Federal Laws by hiring them;

As the President of the United States has also proposed a program which would open up to foreigners jobs for which employers are allegedly unable to recruit American citizens or legal resident aliens;

As one of the prime functions of a government is the security of its borders, especially during current problems with Islamofascist terrorists;

As the overwhelming majority of the ancestors of Americans who emigrated to the United States were required to comply with Federal Immigration Regulations;

As there are now non-citizens waiting in line to enter America or become American citizens, in accordance with our laws;

As the overwhelming number of native born and legally naturalized Americans oppose granting any form of amnesty to illegal aliens;

As one of the main beneficiaries of these onerous proposals is the government of President Vicente Fox, a man who has refused to assist in blocking illegal aliens from violating our common border with the Republic of Mexico, has refused to cooperate with the United States in its struggle with the Baathist Regime of Iraq, and has continued domestic policies which generate an ever-growing army of destitute and poverty-stricken refugees who invade our nation every night to escape the consequences of those policies;

As any program to increase the number of legal immigrants into America should consider ALL those immigrants wishing to enter here, not just citizens of the Republic of Mexico;

As the other beneficiaries of this policy are those employers who blatantly violate Federal Law by hiring these aliens, and those illegal aliens themselves;

As these same illegal aliens, even if converted to "temporary residents" as proposed by President Bush, need only have one child in America, and that child would automatically become an American citizen, and its parents become permanent residents;

As an amnesty for illegal aliens was tried before and only generated a greater flood of new illegal aliens hoping for fresh opportunities along the lines as the President is currently proposing;

As illegal aliens are stretching our social service support network, including medical services and hospitals, to the breaking point, placing the burden of paying for the care they receive on American citizens and legal resident aliens;

The signatories hereto attested solemnly petition the President of the United States, George W. Bush, and the Congress of the United States, as follows:

To refuse to grant to any illegal aliens and violators of our nation's laws and borders the right of legal residence in the United States;

To perform their Constitutional responsibilities and seal our borders against further illegal aliens while identifying and removing all of said illegal aliens currently in the United States;

To enforce the laws against employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens and to devise new laws to make the consequences of hiring illegal aliens sufficiently punitive as to force said employers to comply;

To permit equal access to America by legal aliens from all countries not merely those from the Republic of Mexico, should the economy require an increase in the legal quota of immigrants;

To cease genuflecting before the current President of Mexico, a man who has proven himself the friend neither of the United States nor the Mexican people, and to employ whatever and all means which are necessary to ensure his government stops the flow of illegal aliens into the United States from the Republic of Mexico;

To withhold ANY and ALL federal funds from every state, county and municipality within the United States which refuses to cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service in enforcing our immigration laws;

To withhold ANY and ALL federal funds from any state which allows drivers licenses as proof of citizenship for voting purposes, if said state grants drivers licenses to illegal aliens, and to have all votes from said state declared invalid in any Federal Elections, while said conditions exist.

Respectfully Submitted

[windchime]

President Bush stated tonight as he did when he made the guestworker proposal that it was NOT amnesty. Those who don't understand that statement must be a product of the dem's 'child left behind'/social promotion education system.

IMO, the guestworker program provides a way of identifying those illegal WORKERS that are here-(btw they did not all come here in the last 3 years)- so those who are not working or do not register can be dealt with. Sounds like a good way to ferret them out and sort them out to me.