Two Tancredo’s Two Too Many for Bush Administration

azconservative.org ^ | 01/20/2004 | By Dennis Durband, Editor

[Reagan Man]

"Tancredo also employed illegal aliens to remodel his home.'

>>>No, he didn't.

Yes he did.

>>>Tancredo hired a contractor.

Right. To employ means, "to use or engage the services of".

I stated: "[Tancredo] said, he didn't know they were in the US illegally.

I was simply prefacing my original remarks. No politician is perfect. Some of you people find fault in the most innocuous remarks. So be it.

[Sabertooth]

Setting your other debatable stuff aside, it hasn't even been shown that the contractor hired Illegals, or that any Illegals were ever at Tancredo's house.

Right now, the "Tancredo hired Illegals" story has as much going for it than the "Bush lied about WMDs" nonsense."

[Sabertooth]

I'm fully behind your initiative to make Prop 187 a national reality. It's CRUCIAL.

It's going to take a Supreme Court case. If you can't deny schooling to the interlopers' children, you can't do anything with their parents. That's the Plyler vs. Doe case. It has to be overturned. That was the basis of Pfaelzer ayatollah decision in California shitcanning 187. We have to attack that.

You want to attack that?

OK, but schooling was Bush's big issue against #187.

"I was against the spirit of . . . [Proposition 187] for my state," Bush said of the 1994 California measure.  "I felt like every child ought to be educated, regardless of the status of their parents." 
Dallas Morning News, 6/30/99, p. 23A

Bush misrepresents the "spirit" of 187 here, since children weren't going to be kept out of taxpayer-funded schools for the status of their parents, but for their own. That is, children who themselves were Illegal would not be entitled to public education in California.

#187 said nothing about them getting private education, should any compassionate folks have wanted to foot the bills on their own dimes.

Anyway, if you attack public education for children who are Illegal Aliens, the President will fight you.

I'm game. You?

From a strategic view ... would any liberal court overturn Plyler vs. Doe? I don't think so! Would a court with Al Gore's or John Kerry's appointments overturn that ridiculous post Carter era 5-4 decision? No.

So why sabotage Bush if you want your objectives met?

I just don't get it.

Suggest you read my posts. My vote remains Bush's to lose.

I'm not sabotaging him; I'm fighting his Amnesty, and his soft stance against Illegals.

His Amnesty threatens to sabotage him, as well as the sufficiency of the GOP majority.

[South40]

I'm not sabotaging him; I'm fighting his Amnesty, and his soft stance against Illegals.

His Amnesty threatens to sabotage him, as well as the sufficiency of the GOP majority.

My point exactly. But some think if you can't or don't sanction his every move you've come here from DU to disrupt.

Now, how can you aregue with logic like that? lol!

[Reagan Man]

Here in Colorado RepTancredo has overwhelming support for his opposition to amnesty and open borders. But the flap over his employing illegal aliens remains intertwined with the story about Jesus Apodaca. For which Tancredo received a public black eye.

>>>Setting your other debatable stuff aside.

So Tom Tancredo was RIGHT in breaking his pledge, his word to Colorado voters, that he would term limit himself?

I don't support term limits, but Tancredo gave his word to step down after three terms and he should make good on that promise.

[Kryptonite]

Couple thoughts. VDH isn't a politician or an operative, but suppose he's right. Maybe JimRob should then bite the bullet and set a realistic figure for legal immigration from DU. Then he must enforce his border controls; consider a one-time citizenship process for current FReepers who have been here for more than 4 years; apply stiff troglodyte sanctions; deport those who now break the code --and return to social and cultural protocols that promote national unity through assimilation and integration. In the short term, under such difficult reform, we FReepers might be required to donate more to FR. Yet eventually we will save far more through reduced stress, the growing empowerment of our own entry-level FReepers (many of them recent and legal immigrants from elsewhere), and the easing of social and legal problems associated with illegal posters.

All meant in good fun of course. :)

[deport]

I would like confirmation of a report that the Texas redistricting put Ron Paul in a district with lots more Democrats. Is this accurate?

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Maybe more than he had before but he still has a safe Republican District. They split up a Democrat district and added parts of it to Pauls and DeLays..... It averaged 61% Republican in statewide races in 2002.

Paul doesn't even have a challenger in the Republican Primary and no democrat filed in their Primary. So his only challenger should one emerge would be some 3rd party type.

[Sabertooth]

Here in Colorado RepTancredo has overwhelming support for his opposition to amnesty and open borders. But the flap over his employing illegal aliens remains intertwined with the story about Jesus Apodaca. For which Tancredo received a public black eye.

Wasn't Apodoca the big mouthed Illegal student who got deported?

Anyway, the "Tancredo hired Illegals" story was a ficititious hit job.

So Tom Tancredo was RIGHT in breaking his pledge, his word to Colorado voters, that he would term limit himself?

I thought we were talking about him hiring Illegals or not. All of my comments in this conversation are in relation to that.

In any case, I don't support term limits, and Tancredo was dumb to have made that particular promise in the first place, as far as I'm concerned.

[PRND21]

Nice.

[Joe Hadenuf]

It's easier to blame Bush and the Feds. Blame the Republicans.

It's not just easier, it's where the blame should be placed. After all, the President is the leader of the country, as were the presidents before him, and the Federal Government has only aided and abetted this epic destruction of our sovereignty at the direction of these leaders. Good post Fufkins! Seems your catching on.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

They don't care what we think. We got them what they wanted, and now we are just in the way.

Their vision of the future does not include those who consider themselves Constituitonalists and true conservatives. That is as over as the Republic itself.

[Bikers4Bush]

Rove is a traitor and should be in jail. As should the rest of the illegal appeasers.

Tancredo will get my write in vote for President.

And in case you hadn't realised, those of us that want the illegals squashed are in the majority.

Enjoy.

[FITZ]

You're right about the welfare. I'm sure all of us know on an individual basis certain illegals who are benign, who are not a problem --- but we also see the way the low-income housing projects can't be built fast enough and what types are filling them up. I can see an additional guest worker program if Bush would clarify WHO will be providing these people their health care insurance and WHO will be paying for the education of the kids they bring over. Will the employer provide those?

It's a large and growing problem in many states --- the local taxpayer cannot pay for all the health care and the schools are in financial trouble.

[Bikers4Bush]

Latest figures show that 35% of illegals are on some type of assistance. That's 1 in 3.

They sure are a productive part of society as a whole aren't they?

[FITZ]

I know --- around here that figure is higher --- there really are certain illegals who are good hard workers and some who don't bring their families here and don't seek health care here --- I'm sure most of us would admit they are a lesser problem. Maybe Bush will say that his guest worker program will be limited to those whose employers provide them a health care plan and families only arrive if the employers pick up their tab, and the welfare types are to return home. Also I think those committing felony document fraud must go home. That won't leave too many illegals but at least the ones who would stay would be the better sort.

[Bikers4Bush]

We have laws on the books to handle this stuff already, we'd be fine if we'd just enforce them but oh no, god forbid we do that and be accused of racism just because we expect people to obey our laws.

It's complete idiocy.