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TO THE ENGLISH, AMERICA IS A DANGEROUS PLACE NOW
The Buffalo News/Baltimore Sun ^ | January 18, 2004 | Todd Richissin

Posted on 01/18/2004 4:47:11 PM PST by Marianne

Edited on 01/18/2004 10:02:53 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

LONDON - Not so long ago, when the world seemed a safer place, Britons such as Julia and Paul Chattenton would hop on a plane to the United States with little concern beyond how awful the meal would be and whether the flight would be delayed.

Last week, though, as the couple waited for their British Airways flight to New York, they stood in Heathrow Airport more than two hours before their scheduled departure and worried, just a little, about whether they would be allowed into the United States. And they told themselves to remember to call their parents after they checked into their hotel, because the United States just isn't safe anymore.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bordersecurity; britain; travelindustry; usembassy; usvisit; visas; wot
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That is because the United States is requiring visas for all people holding passports issued after September if the document does not have a special biometric chip embedded in it, . . .
Hmmmmmm!
(emphasis added)
1 posted on 01/18/2004 4:47:12 PM PST by Marianne
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To: Marianne
$100 for a visa? I would not pay it.

I'm all for making our borders more secure, particularly our porous northern and southern borders, but charging people $100 to get in is an outrage.
2 posted on 01/18/2004 4:52:39 PM PST by Imal ("In the name of Allah, the merciful and compassionate" -First sentence, Al Qaeda Training Manual)
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To: Marianne
I guess I get more of a "hmmmmmmmmm" type reaction to why some of the passengers worry, "just a little bit" about whether they'll be let in to the United States in the first place.

It's a different world since 9-11-01.
3 posted on 01/18/2004 4:56:56 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Posting and trying too hard to be funny since 2001-12-23!)
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To: Marianne
If there pilots are not armed(as they insist), and if their plane deviates at all from the flight path, I say shoot them down.
4 posted on 01/18/2004 4:57:47 PM PST by waterstraat
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To: Marianne
They'll be welcomed with open arms when they get here. The Brits are America's friends.

As for the $100 for a visa, anyone who can afford a trans-Atlantic flight can go the extra $100.
5 posted on 01/18/2004 5:00:36 PM PST by kitkat
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To: Marianne
"Beginning in October, thousands of Britons will be required to first visit the
U.S. Embassy in London, submit to an interview about their plans and background and then
pay more than $100 for a visa, if one is granted. "

Well, if I run into any Brits soon and they still came despite these hoops...
I'll thank them and pay for their meal.
6 posted on 01/18/2004 5:03:30 PM PST by VOA
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To: Marianne
The misplaced anger that foreigners feel, not towards the Islamic fanatics that attacked us, but towards the U.S. for implementing security, is contemptible. As always, the news media is ready, willing, and able to act as a megaphone for anyone with any criticism whatsoever for the U.S.

If their anger is justified in any way it's because of the political correctness that says blue-haired old ladies are just as much of a security threat as young Arab men with one-way tickets.

7 posted on 01/18/2004 5:04:04 PM PST by Batrachian
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To: Imal
The visa is if they want to stay beyond 90 days and work. It's 100$ for a 'green card' essentially.

They can still visit for a passport stamp.

This article is crap...

8 posted on 01/18/2004 5:05:05 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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I thought visitors from Western Europe (UK in particular) were exempt from these rules.
9 posted on 01/18/2004 5:06:14 PM PST by nwrep
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To: Batrachian
I thought EU ,canada ,mexico were exempt?
10 posted on 01/18/2004 5:06:20 PM PST by wiseone
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To: waterstraat
If there pilots are not armed(as they insist), and if their plane deviates at all from the flight path, I say shoot them down.

And then would you cry foul if the French shot down a plane of ours for deviating at all from its flight path?

11 posted on 01/18/2004 5:11:01 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Marianne
They could fly to Tijuana, and walk in. Work too. Marry up after 6 years or so, and stay. What's the problem?
12 posted on 01/18/2004 5:13:38 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts....)
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To: wiseone
The only thing Mexicans need to get in is a pair of feet.
13 posted on 01/18/2004 5:14:18 PM PST by Batrachian
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To: Marianne
humm. We visited the UK in 1974 for a year's stay at Cambridge. As I recall, we had to answer all sorts of questions, and had to prove our ability to support ourselves, before entering. When we traveled through Europe we needed passports, had to go through customs as we crossed each border, and in a couple of instances had to open our luggage for inspection.

When I visited Europe earlier, in 1952, I had to leave my passport with the concierge at each hotel I stayed at. And in England I had to report at intervals to the police.

This is pretty much normal. It's the way countries protect themselves. People in recent years have been spoiled by the absence or relative easiness of such customs crossings. Europeans, of course, have dropped customs between their borders. But you pay a price for such carelessness, and after 9/11 the US can no longer afford to pay it.
14 posted on 01/18/2004 5:16:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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This means that, in the interest of international reciprocity, all countries required to provide biometrics will now make it a requirement for US travelers to also provide biometric data in a passport smart chip (even if they don't have the technology to read it).

Furthermore, all biometric data on US travelers abroad will be contained in some database for future abuse. My foil is still in the kitchen drawer, thank you very much.

Go Pat's!!!

15 posted on 01/18/2004 5:17:10 PM PST by kaboom
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To: Marianne
What a nonsense article. Isn't Britain planning on instituting a national ID card? Don't they have the most security cameras in the world? And these Brits are saying Americans are the ones flipping out with security? As previously mentioned, the $100 visa will only be for those who want to work here. The millions of other Britons visiting the US will undoubtedly have an easier time going through Immigration here than Americans visiting the UK.
16 posted on 01/18/2004 5:19:22 PM PST by cheesebus
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To: kaboom
What you say is true.
17 posted on 01/18/2004 5:21:03 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Batrachian
"The misplaced anger that foreigners feel, not towards the Islamic fanatics that attacked us, but towards the U.S. for implementing security, is contemptible."

I couldn't have said it better. Always blaming America for everything instead of where it belongs.

18 posted on 01/18/2004 5:23:50 PM PST by NTegraT
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To: kitkat
Well said
19 posted on 01/18/2004 5:28:00 PM PST by prairiebreeze (God Bless and Protect the Allied Troops. And the families here at home---they are soldiers too.)
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To: Imal
I'm all for making our borders more secure, particularly our porous northern and southern borders, but charging people $100 to get in is an outrage.

yeah, why should they pay when they can fly to Mexico and cross into the US without paying any $$.

20 posted on 01/18/2004 5:29:58 PM PST by PokeyJoe (This tagline got outsourced to India. Pleased we are posting to this forum with our better skills.)
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