Immigration: Conservatives Beat Around The “Bush”

1-18-04 | The American Man

[The American Man]

No, I'm not a stupped white guy! But we shouldn't be happy with the Bush GIVE_ AWEAY AMERICA PLAN__OK!

[MEG33]

No,he cannot and should not be impeached .The whole argument for impeachment was lame.Nothing has been done on illegal immigration,but at least we are discussing it nationally.

[The American Man]

IF YOU GUYS CANT TAKE THE HEAT FROM ME __ YOU DON’T HAVE A
CHANCE WITH YOUR REAL ENEMIES!

[The American Man]

GOOD-- WE NEAD TO! THE TRANZIS(TRANCE NATIONALS) GOT PLANS THAT GO FAR BEYOND "IMMEGRATION!

[Gerasimov]

Exactly .... I've been hoping that the national discussion can provoke a reaction in the OPPOSITE direction from the amnesty plan... people will hopefully cry out for stricter immigration and border control and congress will hear it!

[MEG33]

There was no heat my dear.The argument was weak and without a firm foundation.

If you want to discuss how much you hate his proposal or would like to offer your thoughtful plan on how to attack the problem ,be ready to propose it.

Send letters to your representatives,your President,and to the letters to the editor.You don't have to defend the President's plan to support the President.

Just make a lot of noise about the plan to the right people.Study other plans,promote the one you think is best.Lately no one in Congress is really doing anything to solve it.They don't want to think about the hard choices.

[The American Man]

HERE HERE!

[The American Man]

YOU SEE, IT"S IMPORTANT THAT "THEY" REALIZE HOW SERIOUS THIS IS __ BY THE WAY < ALOT OF RATS( I HEARD ABOUT 50%) ALSO DON"T LIKE THE IMMEGRATION DEAL!

[MEG33]

I don't like it.I like that we are discussing it.I am going to google the Jordon Immigration report because it recognized the need for "teeth" along with green card approval.Of course Bush is proposing something else ,not green cards,it isn't like the amnesty that has been given before but there is no real enforcement provision.It needs an ability to control.We need a data base,tracking,responsible employers,verifiable papers...alot.Right now you can't check someone's papers on the the street,the ACLU will get you.

[The American Man]

THE ARGUMENT THAT HIS( the Presidents) PROPOSAL IS UNCONSCIONABLE IS NOT WRONG -- ITS CORRECT! THE FOUNDATION IS VERY STRONG THE IDEA OF IMPEACHMENT IS OVER THE TOP __
BUT IT GOT YOUR ATTENTION __ LETS HOPE IT GETS THEIRS!

[The American Man]

I'm trying to send the message that this is just the beginning to what the tranzis want! Borders
meen NOTHING TO THEM!!!!

[MEG33]

The impeachment thing is over the top and made me think you might be a troll. You can get attention without proposing extreme,impossible scenarios.

I'm up watching the results of a deadly bombing in Iraq.I was waiting on the Press conference and the immigration problem,illegal alien problem and some kind of order is important.

[The American Man]

SOMETIMES IF A PERSON IS SLEEPING THE ONLY WAY TO WAKE THEM UP IS
TO SHOUT! THIS IS NOT USUALLY MY STILE < BUT I CONSIDER THIS AN
EMERGENCY CASE! IF YOU GUYS ARE ASLEEP <WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
REST OF THE COUNTRIES DOING?

[The American Man]

? I MEAN STYLE -- I hate to misspell!

[MEG33]

I have been posting about this for days.I haven't had to post in all capitals or propose extreme scenarios to gain some information and carry on a conversation.You did post this in the middle of the night and it's not exactly something new.

I read the same thing the day Bush gave his speech.Fox said on TV he wants all borders fom Mexico to Canada open.That way Mexico will never have to reform.

[The American Man]

It’s an old plan . They want it to be like the European Union: but you knew that right!

[wildbill]

First of all, I suppose everyone can agree that some controls have to be put on immigration. The debate is somewhere between cutting off all immigration and completely open borders.

Bush has proposed a plan. The Congress disposes, hopefully after informed debate and input from the citizens.

I have yet to find anyone advocating immediate and total expusion of illegal immigrants who has any workable plan to implement it.

[Unadorned]

President Bush is an extreme left-wing tranzi totalitarian America-hating ex-drunk cocaine addicted illiterate moronic backstabber and traitor to his country who should be impeached without delay for high treason then either imprisoned or banished for life to his beloved Mexico. President Bush is every bit as bad as impeached former "President" Bill Clinton. (American Man, you've done a great job with this post and thread!)

[Unadorned]

Wildbill writes, in post #38,

"I have yet to find anyone advocating immediate and total expusion of illegal immigrants who has any workable plan to implement it."

Here's one workable plan, Wildbill, published in last evening's edition of www.Vdare.com :

http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/supply_side.htm .

There are about a dozen others out there, all eminently workable and in fact damned easy to implement. The beauty of the best ones is that they get the illegals to "expel" themselves, making 'em just decide to leave and go back home on their own, without being rounded up and kicked out. They'll just melt away. One such was proposed in detail not long about (maybe ten days ago or so) on this site by a Freeper named Sabertooth. It listed "Eighteen Steps Better Than Amnesty for Dealing with Illegals."

There are tons of plans out there for doing it, Wildbill. But you miss the essential point: Pres. Bush is a Tranzi. He doesn't WANT there to be a solution. He WANTS the melding of Mexico, his dearly beloved country, and the U.S., and the wishes of the majority of the American people be damned.