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The false dilemma behind the Bush Amnesty
January 17th, 2004 | Sabertooth

Posted on 01/17/2004 10:01:59 AM PST by Sabertooth

Debate rages, and will through 2004, about President Bush’s “not an Amnesty” Amnesty proposal to legalize the 8 to 12 million Illegal Aliens his Administration has said are currently here in our country.

Amnesty proponents and enablers uniformly offer only three solutions to the Illegal Alien problem.

1. Coexistence: Just maintain the status quo through inaction.
2. Amnesty: This is appeasement, and surrender.
3. Xenophobia: Build a police state.

That’s a pretty thin list, and as we’ll see, not an accurate one. Its exclusive presentation amounts to a fallacy of False Dilemma.

It should be noted that Amnesty is a nearly inevitable consequence of Coexistence. Not surprisingly, therefore, Amnesty proponents commonly raise the specter of Xenophobia so that they can paint dark insinuations and distract attention from the symbiosis of their appeasement with the failed policy of Coexistence. Calling other people Nazis is a neat way of cloaking one’s own kinship with Neville Chamberlain.

If we had accepted the same false dilemma in the War on Terror, we'd never have fought it. We'd be the same as Democrats, who’ve made a willingness to appease a party litmus test.

The War on Terror didn’t begin on September 11th, 2001, it began with the first World Trade Center attack in 1993, and was conducted against us by Al Qaeda and our enemies all throughout the 1990s. President Clinton, however, opted not to take the fight to the enemy, and so the Clintonistas held throughout the 90s that terrorism was an intractable problem with which we'd just have to Coexist , and made their policies accordingly. Not surprisingly, when President Clinton had an opportunity to take Osama bin Laden into custody, he lacked the courage to do so. Clinton’s spine also failed him on three occasions where our Special Forces were in position to kill bin Laden. By the end of his Presidency, Clinton’s appeasement of terror was in full bloom; visits from uber-terrorist Yassir Arafat were a source of pride to him, and ultimately, he even granted pardons to Puerto Rican terrorists.

Pardons and clemencies, like Amnesties, absolve wrongdoers of further responsibility for past crimes. When a policy of Coexistence with wrongdoing is pursued long enough, absolution of wrongdoing will eventually become part of the negotiation to make the craven failure to confront it appear magnanimous.

On September 11th, 2001, the War on Terror changed. America didn't accept the false dilemma of Coexistence, Appeasement, or Xenophobia. Coexistence had failed, and with it went any thought of absolution for wrongdoing. Clintonian appeasement was over. Xenophobic notions of “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out,” and “nuke Mecca” were also ruled out, because we’re Americans, and hold ourselves to higher standards of morality and ingenuity.

What then, of the fallacy presented in the false dilemma of the Coexistence / Amnesty / Xenophobia triad?

We rightfully threw it on the ash heap of History.

We took a fourth, Asymmetric approach to the Terrorists, and are now reaping the benefits. After wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, suddenly Libya is turning over their WMD programs without a shot being fired; Iran is on the bubble and contemplating the same thing; Syria and the PLA are increasingly isolated; and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are finally getting the message that coddling Al Qaeda is a losing proposition. Early on in the WoT, it was understood that victory is a policy which reaps a sweet harvest. While the investment in the initial successes was relatively high, they generated a momentum that is making inexpensive windfalls of subsequent victories.

Yet none of this could have happened if we’d followed the appeasement tendencies of the Democrats. In ten years, we’d have been looking at a Middle East full of North Koreas, which was the crown jewel of President Clinton’s failed policy of Coexistence and appeasement.

Naturally, being innate appeasers, the Democrats and Clinton also have pursued Coexistence and Amnesty in dealing with the problem of the millions of Illegal Aliens currently living in our country. Three times in the 1990s, Clinton signed legislation enabling Section 245(i) of the Immigration and Naturalization Code, thereby granting Amnesties to more than a million Illegals Aliens (twice with at GOP House and Senate). Appeasement failed, of course, as it must, and by the end of Clinton’s eight years, there were millions more Illegals than when he started.

Now we have a Republican Administration, as well as a GOP House and Senate. The Clintonian policies of Coexistence with and Amnesties for Illegal Aliens have clearly failed. So, President Bush has taken the initiative and offered an “Immigration Reform” proposal that would legalize not just a million Illegals, as Clinton did, but millions of them. Rather than turning from the failed Clinton policies, President Bush is embracing an even more radical version of them.

So now, pro-Amnesty Republicans and their enablers are offering the same solutions on Illegals as the Democrats did: Amnesty (even though they split hairs and pretend otherwise. They are attempting to frame the debate with the same false dilemma that the Democrats did with the War on Terror: Coexistence, Amnesty/appeasement, and Xenophobia.

Where is the fourth option, Asymmetry? It has worked so well in the WoT; why are we not exploring Asymmetric solutions to the Illegal Alien problem?

We can effectively solve much of the Illegal Alien problem, without Amnesty, if we apply a similar, Asymmetric approach to that of the War on Terror. Obviously, it's not necessary or moral to conduct a war against Illegals, but by applying systematic pressure to all of the factors that encourage the Illegals to violate our laws and sovereignty, we can win early victories that generate and sustain a momentum whereby the problem starts to solve itself.

The key is to get the Illegals to leave our country on their own initiative.

They Will Deport Themselves

There are plenty of steps we can take to do this.

Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

Not only is encouragement of Illegal Alien self-deportation humane and cost effective, there has already been considerable success in this regard with Pakistani Illegals.

25% of Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deported Themselves since 2001 -
Facts against the Bush Amnesty

If we project that modest 25% self-deportation rate of the Pakistani Illegals onto the the 8 to 12 million Illegals that DHS Secretary Tom Ridge concedes are here, we’re talking about 2 to 3 million fewer Illegals in a short period of time. However, the Pakistani Illegals self-deported in response to a set of incentives that was far from comprehensive. A much higher rate of self-deportation of Illegals is certainly feasible, if we simply roll up our sleeves and get on with it.

Historian Victor Davis Hanson recently said:

We never would have had this conversation [about Illegal Aliens] in 1950. There was no conversation about a wall or a fence. It was very simple: If you came across the border illegally, you were deported. The employer was not to hire people who were here illegally. It's very simple to do, but it just requires a degree of courage.
Paradise Lost? (Victor Davis Hanson comments on Bush's immigration proposal)
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (FR link) - January 10, 2004
Bill Steigerwald with Victor Davis Hanson

As with the War on Terror, so too with the Illegal Aliens; it’s now time to throw the false dilemma of Coexistence, Amnesty, or Xenophobia on the ash heap of History. Amnesty failed under Presidents Reagan and Clinton, and will fail under President Bush if it’s attempted.

Rewards for lawbreaking beget more lawbreaking.

Diligent enforcement of our immigration laws succeeded in the 1950s, and would again; but we would be better served by a more humane, Asymmetric approach today, whereby relatively few deportations would result in a great many self-deportations of Illegal Aliens.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bushamnesty; gop; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; selfdeportation
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To: Sabertooth
The Clintons & the FALN - How could two brilliant politicians like Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton create the fiasco surrounding the clemency decision for twelve Puerto Rican nationalists who were serving sentences up to ninety years for "terrorist" crimes in the 1970s and '80s in which no one was injured, no shots were fired, and no bombs went off? The Puerto Rican FALN members were convicted of having unlicensed firearms, transporting stolen vehicles across state lines, and conspiring to commit sedition; certainly not acts deserving suspended sentences but not, in effect, life sentences either. Their continued imprisonment generated a lot of sympathy in Puerto Rico, but this was not an issue that would send its citizens to the barricades.

Cal Thomas - Begging their pardon - THE CONTROVERSY that erupted following President Clinton's offer to pardon 16 jailed Puerto Rican terrorists belonging to the FALN if they promised not to do it again misses something. President Clinton may have discovered a brilliant way to reduce the surplus prison population that is costing the taxpayers billions of dollars and warehousing people, many of whom will go back to prison for other crimes should they be released. - Imagine the conversations now taking place in jails throughout the country. Inmates may think if they promise never again to murder, rape, rob, forge checks, burglarize, embezzle, perjure, drive while drunk, sell or do drugs, kidnap or commit other crimes, they, too, could win commutations.

241 posted on 01/17/2004 10:37:38 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: Sabertooth; HennepinPrisoner; Pro-Bush; FairOpinion; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; ...
Such is the case with President Bush's "not an Amnesty" Amnesty proposal for Illegal Aliens. It's a reward for lawbreakers, and all of the hairsplitting over the Bush blue cards vs. the green cards of the Reagan Amnesty are most unpersuasive.

242 posted on 01/17/2004 10:43:03 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: JustPiper
President Bush's "not an Amnesty" proposal for Illegal Aliens.

Walks like a duck, looks like a duck, ...it's a duck!

Quack-Quack!
243 posted on 01/17/2004 11:10:14 PM PST by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: JustPiper
It is all about Borders. Thats it. Borders. No sense in talking about Illegals, amnesty, aliens, ect., its about borders. If we do not control our borders, we can deport 12 million people tomorrow and they would just walk back across- just like they do now. Matter of fact, that is the problem in Iraq, the Islamic terrorist are pouring across and we are not stopping them from comming in and conducting suicide attacks.

The Israelis are finally finally learning this fact and are building a wall. A wall of course is not the answer, its just an interm solution. You need to attack the source, not just try and keep repelling attacks. The Jews need to attack Syria and we need to attack Iran.
Attack is not - take over, is not - rebuild, it means attack and punish. Let them rebuild themselves. Enough of this compassionate conservatism. It is a load of crap. Its over 2 years after 911 and we still are messing around with these Muslim fundamentalists. Suppose someone had asked how long it would take the ONLY SUPERPOWER, THE USA, to defeat Iraq and Afganistan after Arab Terrorist killed 3000 Americans and destroyed the WTC; and I would have answered, "Well lets see we have Nukes, they don't, hummm 3 hours maybe?"

Its going on three years. We need to give elections and then leave with a warning nailed to the door, "Next time we have to come back we will Nuke you till the ants glow."
244 posted on 01/17/2004 11:22:49 PM PST by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: ninenot
Right. She only speaks for the Administration in this matter. Doesn't know anything, just talks. /sarcasm...

She's already contradicted the President on whether or not guest workers have to return home to reapply. She wouldn't be the first person in an administration to make statments far beyond administration policy.

245 posted on 01/17/2004 11:32:12 PM PST by MattAMiller
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To: winker
It's the jobs stupid! Why are you calling other posters names like that? Are you such a fan of Klintoon that you have taken to adopting his Clintonisms? Are the Mexicans that come up here to pick fruit,work as maids, janitors, and other unskilled labor that threatening to you? Perhaps you should go back to school so you won't be so expendable.
246 posted on 01/17/2004 11:32:49 PM PST by jim35 (A vote for Tancredo is a vote for the DemocRATs.)
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To: jim35
Are you such a fan of Klintoon that you have taken to adopting his Clintonisms?

Wait, there's something about this post that sounds familiar...

Are the Mexicans that come up here to pick fruit,work as maids, janitors, and other unskilled labor that threatening to you? Perhaps you should go back to school so you won't be so expendable.

Ah, there it is: Clintonian snobbery.

Remember Hillary's gaffes about "real jobs?"


247 posted on 01/18/2004 12:01:08 AM PST by Sabertooth (Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
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To: mrustow
That he isn't a true conservative, as in limited government.
248 posted on 01/18/2004 4:05:34 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You post like a girl.)
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To: jim35
You are too quick to condemn me FYI I was addressing the Illegal Aliens not freepers so back off dude! I am no friend of Clintoon and if you read my posts more carefully you would know that!
249 posted on 01/18/2004 4:53:44 AM PST by winker
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To: All
I've read this entire thread. I've read a few immigration threads. This one is no different.

There were a couple of tense moments in this thread so both sides say things in haste.

But those who question the President's proposals are always far more likely to provide sources to support their arguments. That persuades me though I could give the President's proposals a chance IF THERE WERE MORE EMPHASIS ON US

To wit, SPEAK ENGLISH, stop the Press 1 for.. Press 2 for.. Press 3 for....

Stop the multi-culti crap!

Stop the meddling by the corrupt, criminal Mexican government in our internal affairs!

Register hyphenated groups as agents of foreign governments; example IMO is India, www.usindiafriendship.net and www.usinpac.com

For China, see the bipartisan Cox Report.

I've not cited any "white" groups. That makes me a bigot. I reckon, I guess. Gee.

250 posted on 01/18/2004 5:27:12 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: txdoda; Marine Inspector; Southack
With regards the Bush immig law that Southack is so pleased about, see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1060232/posts

Evidently there is no "there" there in the law. Just flash a few papers and nobody asks questions. Particularly useful for employers who don't really want to know...
251 posted on 01/18/2004 6:45:30 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: Southack
Right.

Bob Barr is a nut-case, as is Sensenbrenner.

I think your knowledge and understanding of this Act is limited to whatever the BushBotTalkingPoints memo was, yesterday--thus, is inaccurate.

But when HRC assumes office, you may find out that the talking points are quite different from reality.
252 posted on 01/18/2004 6:49:27 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: AzJohn
For another look at the immigration mess, see Heather MacDonald's lengthy article in FR post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1060232/posts,
which is an OUTSTANDING piece of research journalism.
253 posted on 01/18/2004 6:53:27 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: MattAMiller
It remains to be seen exactly what Administration policy is.

We know one thing for certain: Administration policy is NOT to enforce immigration law except to displace American workers at living wage.
254 posted on 01/18/2004 6:56:05 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: Sabertooth
What your interlocutor chooses to ignore is that the New Bush Dawn of Immigration will also import technical/professional workers at $8.00/hour--displacing US natives who thought all that education was worth $60-75K in salary.
255 posted on 01/18/2004 6:58:18 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot
"What your interlocutor chooses to ignore is that the New Bush Dawn of Immigration will also import technical/professional workers at $8.00/hour--displacing US natives who thought all that education was worth $60-75K in salary."

Exactly right! All jobs are up for grabs. The postal workers union came out against this proposal and for good reason. What's interesting is that Bush et al believe that in this proposal, we will have a more pluralistic society which will result in displacement of American workers as well as American citizens, who is this to benefit? Certainly not the people who Bush is supposedly representing.

256 posted on 01/18/2004 7:05:22 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Marine Inspector
They know who are using fake SSN's now and won't share that info with the immigration authorities. >>>>>>>>


LOL......"our 'agencies' NOT sharing info"....... Seems like THAT excuse has already been used....(by those in DC)


Thanks again for your service..
257 posted on 01/18/2004 11:01:19 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: ninenot; Southack
With regards the Bush immig law that Southack is so pleased about,>>>>>>>>

Yes, I notice Southhack never did reply as to how he thought this *voluntary law* would stop illegal employment, & tax evasion.


Evidently there is no "there" there in the law.>>>>>>>

SOP for those in DC.......*NEW LAWS, including the same old LOOPHOLES*


Just flash a few papers and nobody asks questions. >>>>>>>>

Hopefully there's going to be lots of voters, asking lots of questions.
258 posted on 01/18/2004 11:23:29 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: TomasUSMC
But Tomas, Israel's wall can be penetrated daily with car bombs...how do we do it with our 'thousands' of miles?
259 posted on 01/18/2004 12:10:03 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: international american
Thanks from a fellow embarressment to the conservative cause.
260 posted on 01/18/2004 1:18:07 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (PHASE II: The President has declared a war on poverty.)
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