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The false dilemma behind the Bush Amnesty
January 17th, 2004 | Sabertooth

Posted on 01/17/2004 10:01:59 AM PST by Sabertooth

Debate rages, and will through 2004, about President Bush’s “not an Amnesty” Amnesty proposal to legalize the 8 to 12 million Illegal Aliens his Administration has said are currently here in our country.

Amnesty proponents and enablers uniformly offer only three solutions to the Illegal Alien problem.

1. Coexistence: Just maintain the status quo through inaction.
2. Amnesty: This is appeasement, and surrender.
3. Xenophobia: Build a police state.

That’s a pretty thin list, and as we’ll see, not an accurate one. Its exclusive presentation amounts to a fallacy of False Dilemma.

It should be noted that Amnesty is a nearly inevitable consequence of Coexistence. Not surprisingly, therefore, Amnesty proponents commonly raise the specter of Xenophobia so that they can paint dark insinuations and distract attention from the symbiosis of their appeasement with the failed policy of Coexistence. Calling other people Nazis is a neat way of cloaking one’s own kinship with Neville Chamberlain.

If we had accepted the same false dilemma in the War on Terror, we'd never have fought it. We'd be the same as Democrats, who’ve made a willingness to appease a party litmus test.

The War on Terror didn’t begin on September 11th, 2001, it began with the first World Trade Center attack in 1993, and was conducted against us by Al Qaeda and our enemies all throughout the 1990s. President Clinton, however, opted not to take the fight to the enemy, and so the Clintonistas held throughout the 90s that terrorism was an intractable problem with which we'd just have to Coexist , and made their policies accordingly. Not surprisingly, when President Clinton had an opportunity to take Osama bin Laden into custody, he lacked the courage to do so. Clinton’s spine also failed him on three occasions where our Special Forces were in position to kill bin Laden. By the end of his Presidency, Clinton’s appeasement of terror was in full bloom; visits from uber-terrorist Yassir Arafat were a source of pride to him, and ultimately, he even granted pardons to Puerto Rican terrorists.

Pardons and clemencies, like Amnesties, absolve wrongdoers of further responsibility for past crimes. When a policy of Coexistence with wrongdoing is pursued long enough, absolution of wrongdoing will eventually become part of the negotiation to make the craven failure to confront it appear magnanimous.

On September 11th, 2001, the War on Terror changed. America didn't accept the false dilemma of Coexistence, Appeasement, or Xenophobia. Coexistence had failed, and with it went any thought of absolution for wrongdoing. Clintonian appeasement was over. Xenophobic notions of “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out,” and “nuke Mecca” were also ruled out, because we’re Americans, and hold ourselves to higher standards of morality and ingenuity.

What then, of the fallacy presented in the false dilemma of the Coexistence / Amnesty / Xenophobia triad?

We rightfully threw it on the ash heap of History.

We took a fourth, Asymmetric approach to the Terrorists, and are now reaping the benefits. After wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, suddenly Libya is turning over their WMD programs without a shot being fired; Iran is on the bubble and contemplating the same thing; Syria and the PLA are increasingly isolated; and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are finally getting the message that coddling Al Qaeda is a losing proposition. Early on in the WoT, it was understood that victory is a policy which reaps a sweet harvest. While the investment in the initial successes was relatively high, they generated a momentum that is making inexpensive windfalls of subsequent victories.

Yet none of this could have happened if we’d followed the appeasement tendencies of the Democrats. In ten years, we’d have been looking at a Middle East full of North Koreas, which was the crown jewel of President Clinton’s failed policy of Coexistence and appeasement.

Naturally, being innate appeasers, the Democrats and Clinton also have pursued Coexistence and Amnesty in dealing with the problem of the millions of Illegal Aliens currently living in our country. Three times in the 1990s, Clinton signed legislation enabling Section 245(i) of the Immigration and Naturalization Code, thereby granting Amnesties to more than a million Illegals Aliens (twice with at GOP House and Senate). Appeasement failed, of course, as it must, and by the end of Clinton’s eight years, there were millions more Illegals than when he started.

Now we have a Republican Administration, as well as a GOP House and Senate. The Clintonian policies of Coexistence with and Amnesties for Illegal Aliens have clearly failed. So, President Bush has taken the initiative and offered an “Immigration Reform” proposal that would legalize not just a million Illegals, as Clinton did, but millions of them. Rather than turning from the failed Clinton policies, President Bush is embracing an even more radical version of them.

So now, pro-Amnesty Republicans and their enablers are offering the same solutions on Illegals as the Democrats did: Amnesty (even though they split hairs and pretend otherwise. They are attempting to frame the debate with the same false dilemma that the Democrats did with the War on Terror: Coexistence, Amnesty/appeasement, and Xenophobia.

Where is the fourth option, Asymmetry? It has worked so well in the WoT; why are we not exploring Asymmetric solutions to the Illegal Alien problem?

We can effectively solve much of the Illegal Alien problem, without Amnesty, if we apply a similar, Asymmetric approach to that of the War on Terror. Obviously, it's not necessary or moral to conduct a war against Illegals, but by applying systematic pressure to all of the factors that encourage the Illegals to violate our laws and sovereignty, we can win early victories that generate and sustain a momentum whereby the problem starts to solve itself.

The key is to get the Illegals to leave our country on their own initiative.

They Will Deport Themselves

There are plenty of steps we can take to do this.

Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

Not only is encouragement of Illegal Alien self-deportation humane and cost effective, there has already been considerable success in this regard with Pakistani Illegals.

25% of Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deported Themselves since 2001 -
Facts against the Bush Amnesty

If we project that modest 25% self-deportation rate of the Pakistani Illegals onto the the 8 to 12 million Illegals that DHS Secretary Tom Ridge concedes are here, we’re talking about 2 to 3 million fewer Illegals in a short period of time. However, the Pakistani Illegals self-deported in response to a set of incentives that was far from comprehensive. A much higher rate of self-deportation of Illegals is certainly feasible, if we simply roll up our sleeves and get on with it.

Historian Victor Davis Hanson recently said:

We never would have had this conversation [about Illegal Aliens] in 1950. There was no conversation about a wall or a fence. It was very simple: If you came across the border illegally, you were deported. The employer was not to hire people who were here illegally. It's very simple to do, but it just requires a degree of courage.
Paradise Lost? (Victor Davis Hanson comments on Bush's immigration proposal)
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (FR link) - January 10, 2004
Bill Steigerwald with Victor Davis Hanson

As with the War on Terror, so too with the Illegal Aliens; it’s now time to throw the false dilemma of Coexistence, Amnesty, or Xenophobia on the ash heap of History. Amnesty failed under Presidents Reagan and Clinton, and will fail under President Bush if it’s attempted.

Rewards for lawbreaking beget more lawbreaking.

Diligent enforcement of our immigration laws succeeded in the 1950s, and would again; but we would be better served by a more humane, Asymmetric approach today, whereby relatively few deportations would result in a great many self-deportations of Illegal Aliens.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bushamnesty; gop; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; selfdeportation
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To: winker
"If you want the un-documented Aliens to leave on their on accord; Starve em out! Identify every American Company that knowinglly hires un-documented Aliens and put them in prison and throw away the key!"

Uh huh. As if the daily images of rounding up 1 million American business owners in addition to the images of 8 million starving illegal aliens would be any more popular than showing 6 million starving Jews in NAZI concentration camps.

Oh yeah, that's a real political winner you've got yourself there.

< /SARCASM >

101 posted on 01/17/2004 11:42:36 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Oh dear Bushbot/Koolaid drinker

Nicely weaselworded.

The Act specifically provides for a non-judicially-ordered exercise of home invasion and search by letter, and also extends this privilege to search of bank, pawnshop, S&L, hotel, and credit/debit card activity.

No judge, just a letter requesting the searches pursuant to a "national security" item.

Yes, there is no Sneak and Peek. Yes, there is no Judicial Review.

Go suck carrots for your eyes.
102 posted on 01/17/2004 11:43:12 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: Southack
Businesses, good businesses, will find ways to survive and thrive the enforcement of the immigration laws. Unscrupulous businesses, dishonest and short-cutting businesses, will not and fully deserve to fail.

Let's enforce the laws and start weeding out the crooks, the incompetent,and the weak.

103 posted on 01/17/2004 11:44:08 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: farmfriend
"Should have been done by the states not the Feds using the interstate commerce clause."

Shoulda, woulda, coulda ain't what's being discussed here. Either you FAVOR banning various forms of abortion, or else you don't. Methods of enacting such bans are secondary to where you stand on said issue itself.

104 posted on 01/17/2004 11:44:12 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ninenot; Kevin Curry
You can make a reply without the flame-baiting, as Kevin Curry did quite effectively.
105 posted on 01/17/2004 11:44:32 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard Dean - all bike and no path)
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To: ninenot
Her response indicated there would be NO end to renewals.

I don't think multiple or even unlimited renewals contradicts the phrase "have an end". That phrase only contrasts the guest worker visas with legal permanent residence or citizenship. Those statuses literally do not have an end date. Regardless of how many times you renew the visa, it still has an end date specified.

JMO, of course. We're all trying to read tea leaves here.

106 posted on 01/17/2004 11:44:37 AM PST by AzJohn
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To: Marine Inspector
Sounds like a factual statement. Do you have docmentaion that proves the President's motives?

Don't bother to respond. We already know your answer.

107 posted on 01/17/2004 11:46:24 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Help put a RAT in the White house......vote THIRD PARTY!)
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To: diotima
I don't see ALL the illegal aliens signing up for this program because there are perks for them to remain off the grid.

It's not even the perks. The majority of illegal aliens have criminal backgrounds that will preclude them from participating in any immigration program.

Marine Inspector

108 posted on 01/17/2004 11:46:56 AM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: Southack
Your and Bush's "benign plantation" image which posits the creation of a docmented underclass of swarthy folk imported to clean the nation's toilets is as racist an image that can be imagined. Why do you wallow in it?
109 posted on 01/17/2004 11:46:57 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: dirtboy
If I want to be called a "child" by a Bushbot Koolaid drinker, I'll find one who's around 80. I've paid taxes in this country for well over 40 years.
110 posted on 01/17/2004 11:48:36 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: pawdoggie
prosecuting and deporting and/or jailing millions of people whose crime is that they wanted to feed their families

Feeding their families is not a crime. Breaking the law in order to feed their families is a crime.

111 posted on 01/17/2004 11:48:46 AM PST by judgeandjury
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To: ninenot
Spoken by a true Masterflamebaiter!
112 posted on 01/17/2004 11:49:26 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Help put a RAT in the White house......vote THIRD PARTY!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Do you have docmentaion that proves the President's motives?

I don't need documentation.

I work in this business and his actions and statements are all the documentation I need. He has yet to do anything to curtail illegal immigration and this program will not curtail illegal immigration in any way, it promotes it.

Marine Inspector

113 posted on 01/17/2004 11:50:10 AM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: Sabertooth
"You've missed the point and the illustration of the Asymmetrical approach. When you deport the thousands that you can find easily, many of the remaining millions will self-deport."

Indeed. I've missed it. I don't see why *other* illegals will go home on their own based simply on their peers being forceably deported.

To me that looks like scoring an own goal.

Besides, your initial point in your opening editorial for this thread was to convince illegals to go home voluntarily, something that I have a difficult time reconciling with forced deportations.

On the other hand, that's what Bush's plan accomplishes.

114 posted on 01/17/2004 11:50:19 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Sabertooth
The problem is, any Democrat would be worse. Setting aside the rest of their foolishness for the moment, we need to understand that every one of the Democrat Presidential candidates supports worse Amnesties for Illegal Aliens than that proposed by President Bush. L

So, for now, my vote remains Bush's to lose, and I'm getting a big clothes-pin ready for November. Could he lose it? Sure, but I'd have to think long and hard on it. Something rotten would have to happen, though, because I'd vote for him today.

Saber, glad to still have you on board. Like you said, the anti-immigrants really have no where else to go.

115 posted on 01/17/2004 11:50:28 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Southack
Methods of enacting such bans are secondary to where you stand on said issue itself.

Bullsh*t. I can't stand abortion and I think Roe v. Wade should be over turned but I am not going to spend my life fighting the Dems enacting unconstitutional stuff just to turn around and have the Republicans do the same thing. What you have suggested here is that the ends justify the means and that is Clinton's style, not mine.

116 posted on 01/17/2004 11:50:40 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Marine Inspector
...the Presidents plan will neither stop illegal immigration or terrorism and it will not impact either in any negative way.

Since this is your line of work let me ask you: do you think that it is impossible to provide legal status to most of the illegals currently here and still have a workable plan? Is it possible to combine President Bush's principles with some combination of future incentives or enforcement, or does legalizing so many doom any proposal like this to failure?

117 posted on 01/17/2004 11:51:26 AM PST by AzJohn
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To: Southack
My intention is not to get elected Citizen; my effort is to simply identify the "PROBLEM"! The "PROBLEM is the Jobs they come for that their home of origin refuses to provide for them. We cannot subsidize the Third World through American Taxpayers to support non Contributors who are more than willing to steal your Birthright by not abiding by our established Laws. I think you understand this if you are willing to be true to yourself and admit it!
118 posted on 01/17/2004 11:53:14 AM PST by winker
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To: Marine Inspector
You must also be a Darwinist.

Know all, see all, don't need proof, you opinion is all of that.

119 posted on 01/17/2004 11:53:25 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Help put a RAT in the White house......vote THIRD PARTY!)
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To: AzJohn
Legalizing without prior vetting provides an incentive for more illegals to come before the cut off
120 posted on 01/17/2004 11:53:33 AM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor)
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