Posted on 01/17/2004 6:13:48 AM PST by B4Ranch
Edited on 01/17/2004 7:13:51 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
#2 Would you invite this person to sleep in your bed and eat your food? Or would you rather foot the bill for them to stay at the Holiday Inn?
#3 After spreading the single- or multiple-drug-resistant latest strain of tuberculosis to your kids and everyone in the house and you all need intensive medical care, would you gleefully jump to the front offering to pay the medical bills for everyone?
#4 When he needs a job so he can send a $100 a week back to his homeland for Mom and Dad to live a little easier would you give him yours and tell the boss that he'll work for half your wages?
#5 If he got drunk and killed your best friend's kid would you be upset if he ran back to his homeland and that government refused to return him for trial under our legal system?
#6 When your Governor says the State needs more taxes to pay for the "Temporary Workers Program" costs will you give without any complaints?
#7 What would you say if the local school board decided they needed armed police officers to protect your child from The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave?
#8 Did you know that having one "anchor baby" would bring a halt to the "Temporary Workers" requirement to "return home" in three years? Gosh, I sorry no elected official told you about this.
#10 Do you have a workable plan to correct the most ineffective and costly immigration system in the entire world?
Here's two 'free questions' to think about. Audible answers are not required.
Should someone who refuses to assimilate, who doesn't want American citizenship be telling us how we should change the United States to make life easier for them?
Will we still be the Country of Choice and still have our American culture if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is their Country of Choice?
A New Cost Conscious Plan To Consider
My plan says to all illegals, "Take what you have and leave now because if we have to come and catch you, at taxpayer expense, you'll go without anything but the clothes on your back!"
Dear Mr. President,
"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."
If President Bush or Tom Ridge announced, "In six months the Homeland Security Department will be paying a $50 a head bounty for the name and address of each illegal alien on the US of A soil"
"Every foreign national, no exceptions, captured inside our borders who is not in America legally, after the selected date will forfeit ALL of their personal belongings (businesses, houses, cars, bank accounts, furniture, extra clothing, jewelry, everything!) and be deported within 24 hours."
Is this enough to make the current successful illegals, who have been sucking on the fruits of America for too long, go back to their homeland under their own expense? This bounty enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico or Canada.
The forfeited belongings would then searched by the police with their dogs for drugs, illegal weapons, stolen property, etc.
Anything your local Agencies could use, (tools, snowplows, pickup trucks, light and heavy machinery, etc.) would go to them, the remainder would be be given to local churches for distribution to the needy in your community.
Turn in a name and address after the 180 day period. If the person is there and is an illegal you get $50, no questions asked how you knew the information, no ID checks.
Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security! We don't need any more judges making compassionate laws from the bench on this subject!
The thousands who don't have a lot of personal assets would attempt to stay here. If hiring rules were changed that would mean no jobs. I think the remaining illegals would be turning each other in to get the easy cash.
If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools, etc. in the first year.
These cost savings could then be applied to border and airport security. Any employer who has employed an illegal alien more than five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins.
This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered immigrants or actual American citizens. This plan gives the illegals six months to pack up and get out of the United States without complete loss of their personal property.
After the selected date, divide the chosen state into quadrants depending on population per square mile. First arrest those whose names were turned in for the bounty. Then others suspected by local law agencies. This gives the illegals a chance to turn each other in to the 800 numbers for the reward. When arrests slow down, open an adjoining quadrant.
On the announced date, start in a State such as Iowa, Nebraska or Oklahoma. Centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install and train their volunteers and co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e. birth certificates, hospital records, court papers, etc. These people would be necessary to protect the Rights of American citizens who don't have the paperwork to prove where they were born.
Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have so far successfully avoided capture. They already had 6 months to get out, they knew hanging around to test the system carried a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned. Once it has been declared that they are illegal aliens they would be treated like prisoners of war. No more phone calls, no TV, no cigarettes, just food, water and immediate deportation.
By artificially inflating the supply of labor, government interference in the agricultural labor market reduces incentives for mechanization and other forms of productivity increases.
This is an area that we are known world-wide for. The "bracero","temporary worker", "guest worker", "migrant", the "illegal alien farm worker" is responsible for the US not already developing a mechanized lettuce gathering machine.
Any rise in produce costs would be short termed as many crops have switched to mechanized gathering and sorting during various stages.
Imagine the number of Chinese, Lebanese, Saudis, South Africans, etc. who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, buying new cars to take home, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be again headed North.
Cost Savings
How many schools could be closed? How many welfare offices? How many planned jail enlargements could be stopped for lack of need? How many small hospitals and state paid housing tracts?
How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?
Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens such as border security.
I've always wondered how many illegal folks are on Medicare that don't deserve it. I'll bet that would save a big chunk of money that could be used for American war veterans and our citizens health problems.
Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.
The Negative Effect To Our Economic Future
When I look at our smoothly readjusted unemployment numbers I see, especially pertaining foreigners working in the US who have no intention of becoming American citizens and are working in the US as adding insult to injury and ignorance. They will generally send home between 10 and 25% of their paycheck. This amounts to billions of dollars every year. The last number I recall being sent to Mexico was $12 billion
This is foreign aid by any other name.
Something our President said he would not do is give foreign aid to Mexico. I won't call him a liar here but I would to his face because then I could explain my reasoning to him.
When a person sends dollars earned in America to a foreign country this takes it out of our economic rotation system.
When you and I spend $10.00 in a local store that ten dollars gets rotated through at least seven different businesses or individuals hands before it stops the rotation at the US Treasury.
The local store owner might use it as wages, or to buy replenishment stock, to pay any number of fees or local taxes, buy gasoline or food at a local store, pay a bank loan. You name it. The $10.00 then will be loaned out again for someone to locally buy a car or home, or to a local road or home contractor, and on the cycle goes.
When the $10.00 goes to Mexico or India, it does not rotate in our economy, it does in Mexico's or India's though. That builds Mexico's or India's economy NOT ours.
The amount of money that is rotating in the daily cycle is one thing that controls our interest rates.
Take the 12 billion dollars that is going to Mexico and assume it only passes through corporate hands being taxed at 15% not the 35% personal rate that you and I pay.
The loss to our economy in taxes alone from a single 12B transfer is 18 million dollars. When that 12B passes thru seven different corporations the loss to America would be multiplied by the average profit gain of each corporation. There is no proper way that I know of to calculate the exact loss of business profits due to that cash NOT flowing through other American corporate accounts. (I'm sure someone does) I would estimate overall average business profits should be somewhere between 4% and 10% so there's another $48 to $120 million lost by the wayside in unearned income and unpaid taxes to our government.
American manufacturers are continuing to close down their plants in America because of foreign competition and unnecessary rules.
This current jobless recovery or lower paying job recovery is a very dangerous trend to continue. It will certainly lead to a deep recession and a continued of deflation of the dollar. This will be very long and painful to grow out of and will make permanent changes in the American culture and our way of life.
Folks, the day of reckoning is not too far down the road. Lets make our decision before someone else does it for us.
Mr. President,
Our borders are as open as a old torn screen door. We only capture 20% of the illegal aliens every night who come across. We need to start over. Stop all immigration for a few months, take care of the backload, re-plan on how to enforce our immigration laws and secure our borders. Do we need to use deadly force as an indication that we serious about our sovereignty?
I beg you to please reconsider your "Temporary Worker Plan". It is going to be costly and unproductive for America. Remember where the tax dollars come from. We're not wealthy, just average folks who love our country and want tomorrow to be a better day for our children.
Your "Temporary Worker Plan"will seriously divide the Republican Party. That is something we don't want to do.
"And here was the killer: Their tax liability dropped from $15 billion to just under $8 billion."
"The money lost to the treasury that year would have been enough to pay for the state's entire commitment to higher education, or most of the cost of the Medi-Cal system that provides health care to six million of California's poorest residents. "
Your "facts" are in serious question—so serious, apparently, that the Admin Moderator had to step in to edit them. In any case, this isn't a post about facts, it's a post about emotions, and I learned a long time ago that arguing emotions with people is a waste of time.
But hey, you want facts, we'll talk facts. The fact is that this whole ill-conceived scheme of yours—24 hours from arrest to deportation, armies of civilian informants, paperworked checked by civilian volunteers, internal travel papers and state border checkpoints, and all of this enacted by executive fiat without any input from Congress—would be hooted out of the forum if posted during a Democratic administration. I don't want to live in a police state, even if the Warden in Chief has an (R) behind his name.
No one's opinions on the subject are going to be changed by your vanity post. Nothing you suggest here can ever happen, because the American people, especially the American people who wrote the Constitution, have far too much common sense to tolerate it. In fact, if you insist on presenting this as the only viable alternative to Bush's guest-worker program, you might just wind up convincing some people that you're right—at which point they would pick the guest-worker plan as being by far the lesser of two evils. About the only good that can possibly come from this thread is if we have somehow managed to educate one or two people in the proper use of apostrophes.
You would rather have the illegal immgration invasion continue I presume? I hope you don't have any problems learning a second language.
At my request.
Regarding #6, #7, #11, #30, #43, #45, #46, #50, #53, #62, #64, #83, & #87
I am requesting that these posts be removed because they are not about the topic. Thank you
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