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IAEA Says Iraq Likely Source of Material!!!
Yahooooooooo via AP ^ | 1/16/04

Posted on 01/16/2004 9:34:50 AM PST by areafiftyone

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - The U.S. nuclear watchdog confirmed Friday that Iraq (news - web sites) was the likely source of radioactive material known as yellowcake that was found in a shipment of scrap metal at Rotterdam harbor.

Yellowcake, or uranium oxide, could be used to build a nuclear weapon, although it would take tons of the substance refined with sophisticated technology to harvest enough uranium for a single bomb.

A spokeswoman for the International Atomic Energy Agency said the Rotterdam specimen was scarcely refined at all from natural uranium ore and may have come from a known mine in Iraq that was active before the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites).

"I wouldn't hype it too much," said spokeswoman Melissa Fleming. "It was a small amount and it wasn't being peddled as a sample."

The yellowcake was uncovered Dec. 16 by Rotterdam-based scrap metal company Jewometaal, which had received it in a shipment of scrap metal from a dealer in Jordan.

Company spokesman Paul de Bruin said the Jordanian dealer didn't know that the scrap metal contained any radioactive material. He said the dealer was confident the yellowcake, which was contained in a small steel industrial container, came from Iraq.

Jewometaal detected the radioactive material during a routine scan and called in the Dutch government, which in turn asked the IAEA to examine it.

Fleming said the agency will compare the chemical composition of the sample to other samples of ore taken from Iraq's al-Qaim mine, which was bombed in 1991 and dismantled in 1996-97.

She estimated that the Rotterdam sample contained around 5 1/2 pounds of uranium oxide.

President Bush (news - web sites) came under heavy criticism last year when he asserted in his State of the Union address that Iraq was shopping in Africa for uranium yellowcake intelligence that turned out to be based on forged documents.


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KEYWORDS: iaea; iraq; nukes; yellowcake
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
When I went to school, that entire area was Nigeria.

When did you go to school?

41 posted on 01/16/2004 10:37:20 AM PST by ordinaryguy
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To: ordinaryguy
No, I think the article has been read -- it's just amazing to everyone (not surprising, just amazing) that the incident is being downplayed so much.

Yes, you need tons of the stuff to do anything interesting, but let's look at the real points here:

(1) This isn't scrap styrofoam or metal. It isn't some dust residue, oil, or grease. It's over 5 pounds of a Radioactive Element that has very few uses... and in Iraq, that list is even smaller (no nuke plants; no semiconductor makers, for example).

(2) If the circumstances of its finding are accurate (sealed canister hidden amongst the scrap), this would appear to be a deliberate and systematic attempt to get spread/disperse/distribute/etc. the uranium oxide out of the country.

(3) What we don't seem to know from this is whether the 5-1/2lbs. consistutes the processed U3O8 (Uranium Oxide) -OR- just the tailings from the processing of U3O8. The latter would be a much more sinister finding -- it means there's a lot more of the REFINED stuff out there. Unfortunately, it's the tailings that you'd mostly want to get rid of.

(4) Overall, I'm thinking this: if Iraq was trying to sneak this stuff out, then what on earth did they KEEP and how much???

No, let's not hype it too much -- I'm sure it's no more interesting than finding asbestos or dope in the shipment.

42 posted on 01/16/2004 10:40:51 AM PST by alancarp (Support Diversity: Hire a Neanderthal)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
I think there is ample evidence that they did try to purchase uranium from Niger.

However, the meat I was interested in clarifying was your assertion that Niger is a city not a country and that when you went to school that entire area was Nigeria.
43 posted on 01/16/2004 10:55:37 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: areafiftyone
C'est impossible. Iraq n'a pas uranium jaune de gâteau.
44 posted on 01/16/2004 11:04:32 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: areafiftyone
Hmmmm....what was the scrap metal? A centrifuge?!
45 posted on 01/16/2004 11:18:01 AM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
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To: areafiftyone
This statement bothers me:

it would take tons of the substance refined with sophisticated technology to harvest enough uranium for a single bomb.

Yes. Sophisticated 1940s technology.

46 posted on 01/16/2004 11:38:34 AM PST by jae471
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To: areafiftyone
The U.S. nuclear watchdog confirmed Friday that Iraq (news - web sites) was the likely source of radioactive material known as yellowcake that was found in a shipment of scrap metal at Rotterdam harbor. Yellowcake, or uranium oxide, could be used to build a nuclear weapon, although it would take tons of the substance refined with sophisticated technology to harvest enough uranium for a single bomb. "I wouldn't hype it too much," said spokeswoman Melissa Fleming. "It was a small amount and it wasn't being peddled as a sample."


Why is it that EVERY time we find some suspect substance in Iraq someone alwys finds a way to say it's not what it seems, and is certanly not a WMD?
47 posted on 01/16/2004 11:38:35 AM PST by armyboy (Posting from Sustainer Army Airfield Balad, Iraq. All Gave Some...Some Gave All)
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To: Eva
I understood it to mean that they were shopping for intelligence on it not for it. Did I misunderstand?
51 posted on 01/16/2004 11:59:10 AM PST by jerri
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To: alancarp
I am amazed (not surprised, just amazed) that the incident is being played up so much here.

It isn't at all clear to me that Iraq was attempting to spread, disperse, or distribute their yellowcake out of the country. Let alone that this was part of a systematic attempt to do so. Scrap metal is routinely checked for radioactivity, so hiding yellowcake in scrap metal wouldn't be a great way of disappearing the stuff.

Furthermore, stored at Tuwaitha, is 1,774 drums containing 563,290 kg of yellowcake. That works out to 317kg/ drum. Dispersing even a single drum's worth using the method you've described, would involve placing 2.5kg of yellowcake in each of 126 lots of scrap metal. That certainly isn't a very efficient way of dispersing the material, if they were so inclined.

I don't know how the material got in scrap metal, but we do know that Tuwaitha was looted after the guards abandoned the place. Locals took whatever they could, and often used the drums for other purposes, after dumping out the radioactive material. It seems plausible that some of that could have ended up in some of the vast quantity of scrap metal produced by the war.

Perhaps a facility at a mine was bombed, and the resulting scap metal was picked up and sold. There was a homeless guy in Las Vegas found over the holidays to have a radioactive pellet in his pillow. He found it, and liked it, so he kept it.

Unlike many of the other posters, I can't get excited over less the 1% of a single barrel of yellowcake.

52 posted on 01/16/2004 12:00:51 PM PST by ordinaryguy
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To: new cruelty
Thanks for the map. I was sure Niger was a country. It's nice to have a picture of the area. Never covered geography in my public school education, so whenever there's a chance to improve my geographical sense, I'm grateful.
53 posted on 01/16/2004 12:11:04 PM PST by jwalburg (Question Patriotism!)
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To: jwalburg
Thanks for the map

You're welcome. Though the image sometimes looks like a little red x to me. I am not sure why that is the case.

54 posted on 01/16/2004 12:20:17 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
"I stand corrected on that matter. When I went to school, that entire area was Nigeria"

Not bloody likely. Nigeria was a British colony. Niger was part of French Equatorial Africa. They never were under common control or name.

55 posted on 01/16/2004 12:23:39 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: BohDaThone
Here is the question of the day....

Why is every major Iraq violated UN resolution(pick one) reported on a weekend?

Answer.

No one follows the news on weekends.

This way the media reports it so they fulfill their obligations to the public while at the same time, burying the story.

56 posted on 01/16/2004 12:40:47 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Gore Lost! Deal with it!!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Today's article is a followup to yesterday's AP article.

Yesterday was Thursday.

57 posted on 01/16/2004 1:16:39 PM PST by ordinaryguy
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To: John H K
Iraq has 500 tons of Yellowcake sitting at Tuwaitha under IAEA seal that it's had for 2 decades.

If it's under seal, then Tuwaitha is ruled out as the source of what turned up at Rotterdam Harbor, no?

58 posted on 01/16/2004 1:20:27 PM PST by alnick (The American people would rather reach for the stars than reach for excuses why we shouldn't.)
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To: John H K
This isn't the slightest confirmation that Iraq was buying Yellowcake from Niger RECENTLY.

There was no claim that Iraq was buying yellow cake from Niger recently. The claim was that Iraq SOUGHT to buy YC from Niger.

59 posted on 01/16/2004 1:22:48 PM PST by alnick (The American people would rather reach for the stars than reach for excuses why we shouldn't.)
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To: alnick
If it's under seal, then Tuwaitha is ruled out as the source of what turned up at Rotterdam Harbor, no?

No.

American forces have collected more than 100 empty metal barrels and five radiological devices by paying $3.00 bounties for items suspected of having been looted from Tuwaitha, the defense officials said Thursday.

Possible Iraqi Nuclear Barrels Recovered
New York Newsday and the Associated Press Wire
June 6, 2003

60 posted on 01/16/2004 1:28:11 PM PST by ordinaryguy
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