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After Bush speech, Russia mulls missions to Moon and Mars (...yeah right)
AFP ^ | Thu, Jan 15, 2004

Posted on 01/15/2004 1:11:45 PM PST by presidio9

In an echo of the Cold War space race, Russia said that it had the know-how to relaunch its space exploration programs, a day after Washington laid out ambitious plans to return to the Moon and press on to Mars.

"We have many initiatives from researchers on organizing expeditions to the Moon and Mars," said Nikolai Moiseyev, a deputy director of the Russian Rosaviakosmos space agency.

"Before the end of the year, we intend to develop a federal space program until 2015 and it is possible that such projects would be included," the ITAR-TASS news agency quoted him as saying Thursday.

On Wednesday, US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) unveiled ambitious plans for the United States to return to the Moon as early as 2015, saying a lunar base would serve as a jumping-off point for manned missions to Mars and "across our solar system."

During the Cold War, Washington and Moscow competed fiercely in space exploration, and many Russians are still intensely proud of Soviet achievements in that field.

The Soviet Union scored a major victory on April 12, 1961, when Yury Gagarin became the first man in space. The Americans struck back eight years later, when Neil Armstrong became the first man to step on the Moon on July 20, 1969.

Moscow's space programs had to be considerably scaled back in 1991, when the Soviet Union fell apart and state financing dried up.

But as Washington outlined its plans this week, officials here emphasized that though Russia may be short of financial resources for ambitious space programs, it could hold its own in the field of technology and skills.

An official with the institute that developed the Soviet "Lunokhod" (Moonwalker) robot said that scientists have maintained their research and development efforts and could quickly resume construction.

"If Russia decides to revive its lunar program, we would need a year to create a prototype of a new Lunokhod and two to three years to construct the apparatus," Roald Kremnyev, deputy director of the Lavochkin institute, told ITAR-TASS.

"Russia can overtake USA," an anchorwoman on state television said Thursday, echoing comments the previous day by a top Russian space official who said that Moscow is capable of placing a man on Mars within 10 years at one tenth of the cost of reported US plans.

"Technically, the first flight to Mars could be made in 2014. It would cost around 15 billion dollars (11.7 billion euros) to do it, compared with the American estimate for their project of 150 billion dollars," said Leonid Gorshkov, chief designer with Energia, the Russian space constructor.

And an unnamed official at Energia on Thursday suggested that the United States and Russia should join forces in Mars exploration.

"It would be much more profitable to pool efforts in a manned flight to Mars and the planetary development instead of holding the project independently," the Interfax news agency quoted him as saying.

Russia and the United States have been cooperating in work aboard the International Space Station (news - web sites) since it was launched in 1998.

After the US grounded its shuttle program following the 2003 Columbia disaster Russian rockets were left as the only way to ferry people and supplies to and from the ISS.

Following Bush's speech, NASA (news - web sites) chief Sean O'Keefe spoke by phone with his counterpart at Rosaviakosmos to assure him that the Americans had no intention of withdrawing from the ISS.

"O'Keefe said that there was no talk of NASA withdrawing from the ICC," the Russian agency's spokesman told RIA Novosti.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mars; phonybaloney; roscosmos; russia; space
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1 posted on 01/15/2004 1:11:45 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
It is amazing what the Soviets did with the technology they had available. They sent probes to the surface of Venus for crying out loud... I hope they do join us in another "space race"...
2 posted on 01/15/2004 1:15:31 PM PST by ambrose
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To: presidio9
With whose money?

They couldnt even afford to build their own part of the cheesy "We are the World" spacestation.
3 posted on 01/15/2004 1:20:46 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep-)
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To: ambrose
Meanwhile we sent probes out past Pluto and put a good grip of American Men on the Moon.
4 posted on 01/15/2004 1:22:02 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep-)
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To: presidio9
Russia said that it had the know-how to relaunch its space exploration programs

It's a subtle point. China says they can do this. Russia says they can do this. Bush says this is what we're going to do.

5 posted on 01/15/2004 1:24:09 PM PST by RightWhale (How many technological objections will be raised?)
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To: VaBthang4
Couldn't they just borrow the money? From what I've been reading Russia is on the path to economic prosperity.
6 posted on 01/15/2004 1:26:52 PM PST by TBall
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To: VaBthang4
Russians have reliable big boosters. As a sub-contractor, why not the Russians?
7 posted on 01/15/2004 1:33:55 PM PST by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: presidio9
"Russia can overtake USA," an anchorwoman on state television said Thursday, echoing comments the previous day by a top Russian space official who said that Moscow is capable of placing a man on Mars within 10 years at one tenth of the cost of reported US plans.

Much money can be saved by eliminating triple redundant back-up systems and other non-essentials. Just ask the crew of the Kursk.

8 posted on 01/15/2004 2:09:10 PM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Salman
Because they are Russians and shouldn't be trusted.
9 posted on 01/15/2004 2:10:58 PM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ambrose
They can't race. They are done. Long gone are the vast resources of the evil empire. Good riddance.
10 posted on 01/15/2004 2:12:26 PM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: presidio9
"Russia can overtake USA," an anchorwoman on state television said Thursday, echoing comments the previous day by a top Russian space official who said that Moscow is capable of placing a man on Mars within 10 years at one tenth of the cost of reported US plans.

This is an incredible claim considering that Russia never made it to the moon in the first place. The best they were able to do was send a probe to the moon...and that crashed.

On the other hand, the Russians did excel at keeping Mir in orbit well past its expected lifespan. That's no easy feat.

I wouldn't be suprised in the least if the Lunar mission and subsequent Mars mission wound up being a multi-national effort between NASA, ESA, the Russians and (don't laugh) the Chinese.

11 posted on 01/15/2004 2:50:38 PM PST by Prime Choice (Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
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To: ffusco
Much money can be saved by eliminating triple redundant back-up systems and other non-essentials. Just ask the crew of the Kursk.

Yep. Also note that the Russian spokescritter only said that Russia could get a man to Mars. They conveniently left out any mention of bringing him back alive.

12 posted on 01/15/2004 2:52:15 PM PST by Prime Choice (Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
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To: Prime Choice
Time for the chest beating, who's next, China?
13 posted on 01/15/2004 3:31:25 PM PST by John Will
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To: Salman
They've NEVER landed a functioning probe on Mars...well at least one the functioned for more than a couple of seconds.
14 posted on 01/15/2004 3:32:40 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: John Will
Time for the chest beating, who's next, China?

Don't be surprised if China makes it to the moon on a NASA/ESA spacecraft.

15 posted on 01/15/2004 3:34:10 PM PST by Prime Choice (Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
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To: VaBthang4
With whose money?

Er... the KGB-man squatting in the Kremlin could expropriate cash of another couple of oligarchs (or OILgarchs).

16 posted on 01/15/2004 4:41:54 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: ffusco
Because they are Russians and shouldn't be trusted.

Ping!

17 posted on 01/15/2004 4:44:26 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: presidio9
Just remember, everybody . . . It's PPP not GDP that'll put Russia on Mars. </sarcasm>
18 posted on 01/15/2004 4:47:39 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Salman
"Russians have reliable big boosters. As a sub-contractor, why not the Russians?"

Because, for example, the native U.S. rocket and booster business--and aerospace industry in general--is slowly disintegrating.

The Russians are dumping hardware because they are desperate for hard currency. Much of the hardware was developed when they called themselves "Socialist", and basically had no price since there was no way to compute economically-valid prices.

"Thank you for helping win the Cold War," U.S. aerospace workers are told. "Now go stand in the unemployment line while we buy cheap hardware from the enemy you helped defeat."

Let's see: Shuttle grounded. No more Titans. Atlas-V dependent upon a potentially hostile foreign source of engines. Delta-IV limited to military payloads only. Delta II nearing obsolescence. But let's go ahead and let what is left of the U.S. aerospace industry (particularly the launcher part) vanish into rust, and put our trust in people who tried assiduously to kill and/or enslave us all for 70 years. That's the ticket.

--Boris

19 posted on 01/15/2004 5:15:50 PM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: ffusco
Because they are Russians and shouldn't be trusted.==

It is very stupid.
20 posted on 01/15/2004 10:03:25 PM PST by RusIvan
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