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Neoconservatives on Mars-Killing all sorts of birds with one rocket ship.
Jerusalem Post ^ | 1-15-04 | LARRY DERFNER

Posted on 01/15/2004 5:55:15 AM PST by SJackson

In America, the neoconservatives are happy (or "delighted," to use one of their words): Bush is going to Mars. Not himself, of course – that, for neocons, would be cause for alarm, or give them pause.

No, NASA's manned space flight program is going to Mars. First it's going to populate a base on the moon, then send astronauts to Mars – that's the idea, according to the White House.

A "grand plan," a "vision worthy of America," wrote Adam Keiper in The National Review. The Weekly Standard website reran an old "On to Mars" cover essay by Charles Krauthammer. "[I]t is that very beyond – the moon, the asteroids, Mars – that is the whole point of leaving Earth in the first place," he wrote in The Washington Post after the Columbia space shuttle crashed last February.

Neoconservatives – meaning conservatives who use words like "breathtaking," "astonished," "amused," "felicitous" and "delighted" – are understood to be Americans with a passion for pure capitalist economics, constant war, and the Likud. Whoever doesn't get excited over those three causes cannot be called a neoconservative. But there is one more identifying mark, one that I think captures the neocon spirit like nothing else: the space program.

I know there are lots of people who get a charge out of the idea of man walking on Mars who are not neoconservatives. The difference is that for neocons this is a crusade, and not just any kind of crusade, but a delightful one, an amusing one. For them, going to Mars kills all sorts of birds with one rocket ship.

It's a hell of a display of American supremacism, planting the flag on the moon and all that. It's warlike, the ultimate in capturing the high ground. It's hard and unsentimental, all science and math, none of that squishy humanities idiocy.

And it's so Darwinian. When you can send a space ship up to the stars, that is really an assertion of dominance, that is some demonstration of prowess.

Also, it just spits in the face of the liberals and the minority whiners. You can't affirmative action your way onto an engineering team at NASA. Onto an astronaut crew, yes, but we know what they do – zilch.

No, building the rocket ship is what takes the right stuff, and to have the right stuff it really does help to have the right genes.

But the best thing, the most thrilling aspect of the space program, the truly delicious part, is how it eats up so many hundreds of billions of dollars for no other purpose but one's amusement! One's joy. When all those rabble that the liberals are always blubbering over are starving, dying of thirst, dying of AIDS, dying of whatever – we're going to Mars! It's so – Roman.

Now – if I may be serious – I really don't think anybody but a neoconservative, or maybe a Star Trek freak, can honestly make a case for space exploration anymore.

WHEN THE program got underway in the early '60s, people tried to make pragmatic arguments for it: we can't let the Russians control space, there's all sorts of practical science to be done up there, all kinds of spinoffs that'll come out of it; and who knows, maybe we can colonize the moon, build a second home up there in case we blow up this one. We have to explore space to help mankind on Earth.

By now all those arguments have gone out the window. The only practical benefit anyone's gotten out of 40 years of space exploration is Teflon. And anyone who's ever tried to save calories by eating an egg fried on Teflon, without margarine, would challenge even that.

There's no security to be found in space, no useful science, no industry – only, for some people, a thrill, a mind-stretch, and a dazzling show.

But no neoconservative would pretend that going to Mars needed any other justification. "[I]n some ways, the worst critics are those that find no inspiration in discovery and exploration, challenge and adventure – those whose souls have forgotten how to wonder," writes Keiper. "For them, we can only have pity, and hold out a hope that someday they'll share our joy in this journey to the stars."

Why doesn't Keiper and the other neocons just drop acid and save America a fortune? And if it's challenge they want and "pushing the envelope," that's why God created sports. "Faster, higher, farther" was the Olympics motto a long time before NASA came along.

Throughout history, I can't think of a more appalling, literally astronomical waste of money than space exploration. The US should sell all of NASA's property for scrap metal, or scrap Kryptonite or whatever they use.

"The cause of exploration and discovery is not an option we choose; it is a desire written in the human heart," Bush said after the fatal Columbia crash. Fine. Let him spend the money on exploring the sea for a cheap way to desalinate water so the Middle East and Africa will have a future. Discover a cure for AIDS, or if AIDS is too gay for the Republicans, discover one for cancer. Even Federalists get cancer.

As for what's written on the human heart, there may be a word or two there about going to Mars, but I'm sure it's also written – in much bolder letters – that you don't tell starving children you can't feed them because you'd rather throw your money away on some joyride.

But if Bush and the neoconservatives are so determined, I have another suggestion. Let them do the Mars trip their way: Privatize it. Let Lockheed and Boeing see which can be the first aerospace company to have somebody in a space suit nail its logo onto the red planet. I'm sure they'll jump at the chance. For a few trillion dollars, think of the great spinoffs they'll get from all the new frying pan technology up there.

The writer is a veteran journalist


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1 posted on 01/15/2004 5:55:15 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
There's no security to be found in space, no useful science, no industry – only, for some people, a thrill, a mind-stretch, and a dazzling show. .....

The writer is a veteran journalist

And a nitwit.

2 posted on 01/15/2004 5:57:06 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: SJackson
fortune -m space

"Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It
eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation."
-- Johnny Hart


3 posted on 01/15/2004 6:03:38 AM PST by SkyRat (If privacy wasn't of value, we wouldn't have doors on bathrooms.)
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To: SJackson; dighton; aculeus; general_re; L,TOWM; Constitution Day; hellinahandcart; Catspaw; ...
"The only practical benefit anyone's gotten out of 40 years of space exploration is Teflon."

Wow, the author conveniently forgets the greatest invention to come from the Space Program ...


4 posted on 01/15/2004 6:04:13 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: SJackson
Neoconservatives – meaning conservatives who use words like "breathtaking," "astonished," "amused," "felicitous" and "delighted" – are understood to be Americans with a passion for pure capitalist economics, constant war, and the Likud.

While I agree with Cincinatus that this guy is a nitwit. This line is funny, with a certain amount of truth.

5 posted on 01/15/2004 6:04:28 AM PST by Hillary's Folly (Imagine there's no Hillary. It's easy if you try.)
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Normally, I don't harp on the all the money Israel gets from the U.S., but when they start to tell us how to spend our money and tell us that welfare is more important than the space program, then I have to say MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Of course, this is a journalist, not the Israeli government's position, but I have to wonder why he should care if we have a space program. Let him attack Israel's space program. He probably thinks we don't need a military, either, and if we just provide clean water and medicine and doctors and nurses to terrorists they'll be nice. They're probably decent people, just misunderstood, is the liberals' mind set. Same with the space program. All they can see is Teflon (he forgets to mention Tang).

"Neoconservatives...

...are understood to be Americans with a passion for pure capitalist economics, constant war, and the Likud. Whoever doesn't get excited over those three causes cannot be called a neoconservative. But there is one more identifying mark, one that I think captures the neocon spirit like nothing else: the space program."

Well, that tears it. I'm a neoconservative. I've been wondering. At least this fool did one good thing - he helped me figure out what I am.

6 posted on 01/15/2004 6:06:22 AM PST by Batrachian
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Well, at least we have a reply to the "waste of money" crowd. Seriously, your Tang reference was funny, but when I got the first blurb of "better spent on problems here", I asked the critic if she used a cell phone or personal computer. When she said "of course", I told her that she had NASA to thank for funding the research that produced the integrated circuit (micro chip). She was stunned that the Apollo program actually produced something of value.

And yes, I did mention Teflon and Tang, too. :-)
7 posted on 01/15/2004 6:12:06 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: SJackson
Typical socialist: America has it (wealth, knowledge, resources, food; whatever "it" is), so should give it away to the whole world.

There is a place for charity in the world, but charity is very different from doing things for a world that can't be bothered to do for itself.
8 posted on 01/15/2004 6:13:49 AM PST by Gefreiter
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To: SJackson
you don't tell starving children you can't feed them because you'd rather throw your money away on some joyride.

If we embraced this kind of logic, we'd all still be huddling in caves in Europe.
9 posted on 01/15/2004 6:14:06 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: BlueLancer; L,TOWM; RadioAstronomer
By now all those arguments have gone out the window. The only practical benefit anyone's gotten out of 40 years of space exploration is Teflon. And anyone who's ever tried to save calories by eating an egg fried on Teflon, without margarine, would challenge even that.

There's no security to be found in space, no useful science, no industry – only, for some people, a thrill, a mind-stretch, and a dazzling show.

Amazing how this idiocy seems to be spreading - try this.

10 posted on 01/15/2004 6:17:48 AM PST by general_re ("Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson)
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To: general_re
Maybe we should stop giving money to Israel and give it instead to the space program.
Wonder how the author would like that.
11 posted on 01/15/2004 6:39:59 AM PST by SwampFoxOfVa
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To: SJackson
Liberals today have closed minds. The thrill of exploration holds no interest for them. Too bad Captain Kirk can't phaser the idiots for whom the final frontier is universalis incognita.
12 posted on 01/15/2004 6:42:27 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SJackson
The only valid reason for emplacing colonies on the Moon/Mars is to protect the human race from extinction by a catastrophic event, such as a big asteroid strike.

You don'--as a species--want all your genetic eggs in one basket.

But try using that as the rationale!

--Boris

13 posted on 01/15/2004 7:01:21 AM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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Sorry, don't.
14 posted on 01/15/2004 7:01:57 AM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: SJackson
The only practical benefit anyone's gotten out of 40 years of space exploration is Teflon.

ROTFL!!! Dumbest thing I've read in a long, long time.

The writer is a veteran journalist

LMAO!! How about : The writer is a veteran journalist shmucktard?

15 posted on 01/15/2004 7:07:20 AM PST by Shryke
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"The only practical benefit anyone's gotten out of 40 years of space exploration is Teflon."

Actually Teflon was invented by accident by a chemist working for the DuPont Company in the late 1930’s. Its first major use was in the Manhattan Project. Uranium hexafluoride is highly corrosive but using a Teflon (not called that until after WWII) coating on the equipment exposed to U-Hexafluoride protected it from the corrosive effects.

The greatest thing to come out of the space program (and the ICBM programs as well) is micro miniaturization.

16 posted on 01/15/2004 7:16:48 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: COEXERJ145; Poohbah; dighton; Catspaw; veronica
Don't forget the biomedical sensors...

"I'm sick and tired of the Western world learning how my kidneys funtion..."
17 posted on 01/15/2004 7:34:58 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: general_re
Excellent link. Many people owe their lives to the medical uses of technology discovered in the space program.

I am not really excited about a new space program, but one never knows what can be the results. A lot of Europeans had the same reservations about exploring the New World etc. Man has an inborn thirst for knowledge and it seems to bring out both the best and worst in us.

I am not sure this is the best way to spend our resources at present, but if we do it, I hope we do it right.
18 posted on 01/15/2004 7:37:05 AM PST by arjay
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I am not really excited about a new space program, but one never knows what can be the results.

That is, IMO, exactly correct. R&D always pays off - always - but the trouble is that you never know in advance exactly what you're going to get out of it, and therefore, you never know what you're giving up by not doing it. Some of the spinoffs of space exploration are so obvious that we take them for granted, but they're spinoffs nonetheless - think of the millions of lives that have been saved over the last few decades by something as simple as improved weather forecasting via satellites. That's a simple and direct spinoff, but who could have predicted in advance that space exploration would lead to things like angiograms?

The important point is that solving problems in one area can accidentally lead to solutions of completely different problems in completely different areas, but if you don't attack the initial problems, you'll never know what you gave up by so doing. If you're not familiar with it, James Burke's excellent "Connections" series (books and television) look at technological development from exactly that perspective. That is, where the development of things we take for granted - airplanes, telephones, computers, nuclear weapons, et cetera - are really the result of a long historical chain, sometimes hundreds or thousands of years long, full of people solving their own immediate problems, which really had nothing at all to do with the things that eventually came about as a result. Solving some technological problem today sets a foundation for solving some other technological problem tomorrow, no matter what today's problem happens to be.

19 posted on 01/15/2004 7:56:27 AM PST by general_re ("Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson)
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To: hchutch
Don't forget the biomedical sensors...

"I am sick and tired of the entire Western World knowing how my kidneys are functioning!"

LOL! One of the few Tom Hanks movies I can stomach.

I like the last line @ the end of the movie when the Apollo 13 crew are shaking hands with men on the ship including the real Jim Lovell.

"I sometimes catch myself looking up at the moon, remembering the changes of fortune in our long voyage, thinking of the thousands of people who worked to bring the three of us home. I look up at the moon, and wonder: When will we be going back? And who will that be?"

20 posted on 01/15/2004 8:06:44 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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