The Final Straw? Accountability for President Bush

1/13/2004 | Andy Obermann

[RiflemanSharpe]

Maybe you are right, I would like to see it. But right now I am just discussed with all of them.

[Capt. Tom]

While we may not like, or agree with everything the president does; the truth of the matter is when election day(s) come and go you have to pull the lever for the lesser of two evils

I don't mind that, but these days we vote for the evil of two lessers.(ie illegal immigration, Bush style) - Tom

[snopercod]

Bush is an out-and-out statist. I won't vote for him again.

Our best hope to save the Country at this point is to forget about the presidential election and concentrate on congress.

[discostu]

If congress moves to the right then Bush won't get leftist stuff on his desk to sign, he can come up with all the stupid leftist ideas in the world and it just won't matter. Moving congress to the right is a bit safer than trying to move the presidency, it's not an all or nothing game in congress it's something that can be won 5 congressmen at a time. Things take time, we were a leftist nation for a long time, now we're a heavily divided nation balancing out to moderate, these kind of things are recovered from all at once.

[Constitution Day]

bump for later

[olliemb]

Agree with ya--down with Bush, bring on Dean. I can't wait for more taxes and I can't wait for abortion on demand, no parental input with unwed mothers and best of all--let's let the terrorists kill us. Let us always ask the EU and UN to okay our every moves. And best of all which I am sure the rest of you will appreciate--no mention of God.

It is the global picture, my friends, the global picture.

After all is said and done, do you really want any of the democrats running the show? Imagine a USA via a democrat president-- You worried about farm subsidy--well it will go higher, worried about welfare--well it will be more expensive, and worried about healthcare--don't worry we will supply all and don't worry about the illegals, we will give them citizenship right off upon entering the country.

[Howlin]

The first result is that the Republican Party is more unified than ever before. Ninety-one percent of Republicans approve of the job President Bush is doing. In 1992, Bush's father didn't have anything like that level of support, and even the Reagan administration was split between so-called pragmatists and ideologues.

Today's Republicans not only like Bush personally, they also overwhelmingly support his policies.According to a Pew Center study, 85 percent of Republicans support the war in Iraq, 82 percent believe that pre-emptive war is justified, and 72 percent believe the U.S. is justified in holding terror suspects without trial.

[RiflemanSharpe]

We keep voting republican and we keep moving to the left. I voted for John Cornyn for US Senator from TX because he came off a s astrong conservative. He now support the illegal amnesty. There are far to many RINOS out there. I would for once like a true conservative to vote for.

[RiflemanSharpe]

We keep voting republican and we keep moving to the left. I voted for John Cornyn for US Senator from TX because he came off a s a strong conservative. He now support the illegal amnesty. There are far to many RINOS out there. I would for once like a true conservative to vote for.

[Howlin]

LOL!

[RiflemanSharpe]

Bush is an out-and-out statist. I won't vote for him again.
Our best hope to save the Country at this point is to forget about the presidential election and concentrate on congress.


Sadly you may be right.

[discostu]

Gotta use the primaries to get better repubs in. House races are best for that because they're very localized, senate races are tougher, national (the presidency) toughest. That's the natural progression of moving the body politic, shove it one direction during the primaries but keep it electable in the generals which is why the wider the general election the slower the push needs to be. I'd love hard core conservatives in the senate and White House but with the exception of a few states it simply isn't going to happen.

[RiflemanSharpe]

I have seen over a dozen people run as conservative then move to the center within a few years of election. It is one of the main reasons I support term limits so much.

[Onelifetogive]

After all is said and done, do you really want any of the democrats running the show?

Heaven forbid!!!

Nor do I want republicans running the show like democrats!

[international american]

"Another question is "do we want to miss the chance to have hefty majority in Congress?"

If not, then we need to figure out a way to keep President Bush from being so divisive."

OK, I agree. By the way, you have the best proposal I have read on illegal immigration; not only on FR but anywhere. How do we push Pres. Bush back to where he should be...................the question of the hour!!

[discostu]

Remember conservative or liberal these guys are politicians first and foremost. Their job is to get you to vote for them, even the best shouldn't be trusted. There's a reason why Jefferson thought elected office shouldn't pay well enough to allow a career in politics.

[AlbionGirl]

David Brooks has a piece in today's NY Times titled Bush Democrats. In this piece he asserts that the Republican party has never been so united, and I think he's absolutely right.

Those who argue against this eclectic form of government of ours are wasting their time. The electorate decided long ago that pooling tax revenues for the common good was acceptable. Unconstitutional? Probably. But, short of an armed insurrection those who opppose this accepted idealogy have no chance of enacting the kind of Conservatism they envision. And even by insurrection they will not prevail.

So, the choice is who will be the best stewards of this eclectic form of government unopposed by 70% of electorate? The Republicans will remain my choice.

The Constitution Party, the Reform Party and any other party that springs up touting the platform of no welfare; no immigration; guns; as many as we'd like; no redistribution of income aiding low and middle classes, etc., etc., won't stand a chance in hell.

One of the reasons Liberals are doing so poorly is because nearly all of their early goals have been enacted, and not by fiat, but by the approval of the electorate. And now, their goals extending far beyond what the American electorate considers good eclecticism, have become loopy and as a consequence they are self destructing.

I don't share the notion that not having a loyal opposition is a good thing. I sincerely hope that the Democrat party can produce a Presidential candidate of substance, sometime in the near future (a Sam Nunn, a Pat Moynihan, a Zell Miller) to stop the total destruction of their great Party. A loyal opposition is necessary as a check and balance against the party, any party, in power.

[international american]

"There's a reason why Jefferson thought elected office shouldn't pay well enough to allow a career in politics."

Well, so much for THAT!! :)

[RiflemanSharpe]

Remember conservative or liberal these guys are politicians first and foremost. Their job is to get you to vote for them, even the best shouldn't be trusted. There's a reason why Jefferson thought elected office shouldn't pay well enough to allow a career in politics.

It sure does now. I am reminded of a story of a TX state legislator, he was a poor dirt farmer when elected to office. He literally had to borrow money to buy an second suit for his first session. Thirty years later he retired a multimillioniar. They are all crooks. To be blunt, with what it takes to get elected and what it pays (not the perks and the under the table crud)anyone who wants to run for elected office should be held suspect for just that.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

These are exactly my thoughts. And as much as I would like to ignore my principles and vote for President Bush, I won't.

We do have options.

I am still hopeing that President Bush "pulls a rabbit" out of his hat, and makes a good deal of these domestic policies, which I disagree with, make sense to me.

If that doesn't happen then I will not feel responsible for looking at my options. I take my vote seriously.

People can flame me all they want and call me a RINO, because if the Republican party doesn't care about Conservatives one bit, then I am a RINO. But that is not my choice , it is theirs.

President Bush, sir, please help me out here....... I would love to vote for you again, I would love to campaign for you again. Please give me a reason , other than Iraq.