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The Final Straw? Accountability for President Bush
1/13/2004 | Andy Obermann

Posted on 01/13/2004 11:43:35 AM PST by AndyObermann

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To: AndyObermann
I'd like to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt about his recent stance on criminal aliens. This has been an important issue that many in this country have ignored for years and all of the sudden they've had a flame put under their @ss and awakened because of one speech... by President Bush.

I'd "like" to think this is not another CFR, but who knows. If it is, President Bush will be shown the door in 2004, if not, and it leads to actual new(America first)immigration reforms as well as enforcement of existing law, he deserves our appreciation and support.

It's either a brilliant move or a complete act of idiocy during a time of security\economic concerns.

101 posted on 01/13/2004 2:39:20 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: UCANSEE2
What? I didn't question his leadership on foreign policy. In fact I praised it. Seperate domestic and foreign policy. Those are two different things. Also, calm down, you're acting like a liberal. Liberals use emotion...conservatives use logic.
102 posted on 01/13/2004 2:39:33 PM PST by AndyObermann
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To: nopardons
Republican does NOT mean " CONSERVATIVE "

Not these days.

103 posted on 01/13/2004 2:39:56 PM PST by Eris
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To: olliemb
Do you really think that President Bush would put in a liberal judge? Do you really think that President Bush would increase your taxes? Do you really think that President Bush would expand and not try to reverse Roe v Wade? Do you really think that Presdident Bush should round up all the illegals, put them on train cars and ship them back to Mexico? Do you really think that of President Bush??????

Do you really think President Bush would support increased federalization of education? Do you really think President Bush would support a huge expansion of the Medicare program? Do you really think President Bush would support a huge Farm Subsidy bill? Do you really think President Bush would support legalization of illegals?

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

I want Bush to be the President till 2008. BUT I WANT HIM TO KNOW THAT HE NEEDS TO GOVERN AS A CONSERVATIVE TO ENSURE THAT IT HAPPENS!!!

104 posted on 01/13/2004 2:40:12 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Tax cuts, partial birth abortion, Supreme Court nominations.....
105 posted on 01/13/2004 2:41:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Tax cuts, partial birth abortion, Supreme Court nominations.....
106 posted on 01/13/2004 2:41:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Tax cuts, partial birth abortion, Supreme Court nominations.....
107 posted on 01/13/2004 2:41:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: futureceo31
Nailed in one...BRAVO !
108 posted on 01/13/2004 2:42:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Nightmare
This is part of the solution, and one which is being ignored by most.

Consider yourself 'beyond the sheeple'.

BTW, this issue is being addressed by the President, but won't be obvious until later.

109 posted on 01/13/2004 2:42:53 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ("Duty is ours, Results are God's" --John Quincy Adams)
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To: AndyObermann
Failed schools a worry, or your future job ?

Children, who used to be in their own schools (the mentally retarded, for example ) don't belonged mainstreamed into " normal " classrooms !

Many states are NOT handling education well at all. Perhaps a nationwide takeover, of schools, would be better, than what we have now and before you decide I don't know what I'm talking about, know that I have two Ed. degrees and taught.

110 posted on 01/13/2004 2:50:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Destructor
The so-called "outrageous spending" was out of necessity.

Paying to keep the elderly on tranquilizers and uppers, will be out of military necessity? Getting the Federal Government deeper into education is out of necessity? Funding drugs for AIDS patients in Africa is out of necessity?

Tell me, please, just what the necessity is to have the American taxpayers, rather than Iraqi oil, pay to rebuild Iraq?

And yet, I might be willing to cut the President slack on all of that, if he had shown any interest at all, in his immigration policy, in preserving traditional America. He is either completely unable to understand that who lives in a country determines the nature of the society, or he simply doesn't care! Personally, I have nothing at all against the Mexican people. They are one nation, we are another. Every nation has a personality, as it were. That is determined by the characteristics of its people. And if Bush understands this, he shows no interest in facing the obvious consequences. His policy is right out of the parlor pink theories of the Academic Left during his school days, and I no longer care whether that is because he was converted to their pursuit of an undistinguished, interchangeable humanity, or was intimidated by it.

What he offers, now, is not what they fought for; not the America won at Yorktown, and sanctified by the blood, sweat, toil and tears, of all the decent Americans in every generation since.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

111 posted on 01/13/2004 2:50:20 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: futureceo31
This president is doing something about everyone of those issues and leaving the democrats with NOTHING to hold on to. Then, with a stronger majority, he can move the country to right of center.

Here is the fallacy in your argument!

If being "liberal" is what it takes to win a stronger majority, there will NEVER be a reason to move the country to the right of center.

GOVERNING TO THE RIGHT OF CENTER is what it will take to win a "stronger majority."

112 posted on 01/13/2004 2:51:27 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: Eris
It NEVER did !
113 posted on 01/13/2004 2:51:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Ohioan
He will spout absolute inanities about "no child being left behind,"

"No child permitted to get ahead" is a better title.

114 posted on 01/13/2004 2:55:46 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: nopardons
In all honesty, I think I'm worried about a little of both. Instead of a federal takeover, perhaps we should look at a complete severance of government, both state and federal, from education.

Regardless, I hope to teach at a private school...or at least send my kids to one.
115 posted on 01/13/2004 2:57:15 PM PST by AndyObermann
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To: nopardons
Further, as a retired teacher you should know that it doesn't matter is children with mental retardation belong in the classroom, it is whether the parents are going to get advocates to come demand that they are mainstreamed. NO, they don't belong, but parents put the pressure on school districts to put them there.
116 posted on 01/13/2004 2:59:32 PM PST by AndyObermann
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To: AndyObermann
I went to both public and private schools, my daughter went ONLY to private schools. The education systems, in this nation, no matter public, parochial, or private, have devolved from their prime, which was anywhere from 70 to 100 years ago, depending upon certain specifics.

A total severance, of government intervention, in education, would be far worse, than the disgusting mess we are faced with today! Home schooling is also NOT the answer for most. A national standard, which has been talked about for decades, but almost impossible to pull of ( blame the various teachers unions and other LIBERALS ! ), would help greatly. Keeping the mentally retarded and emotionally disturbed out of the mainstream would also work wonders, as would the dissolvement of social promotion, the ever changing ( upping ) of when a child may start school, and the reintroduction of " skipping " the gifted. And that's just for starters!

117 posted on 01/13/2004 3:06:48 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AndyObermann
Do you really think that at his early stage of presidency and with the uproar of the 2000 election that it would have been passed without strong objection from the democrats. He compromised --the bill had barely made it out of congress and with Bush's signature still wet and the ultraconservatives were yelling foul. Secretary of Education Rod Paige says that there is still lots of money that the schools have not touched. If the democrats are upset with it and the republicans are upset with it then the no party moderates must be happy with it. In my opinion if the teachers are opposed to it, then President Bush has done well.
118 posted on 01/13/2004 3:07:03 PM PST by olliemb
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To: AndyObermann
I expected Bush to develop his own initiative instead of signing on to what Teddy came up with...

Yeah, President Bush has plenty of time on his hands and should have developed the education bill, while letting the politicians who are elected to do this particular part of the job sit around.

The way to prove to the world that someone is an idiot, is to shut your mouth, and let them open theirs.

Had President Bush crafted the entire Education Bill, it would have been torn to pieces and voted down. Instead, a bill was passed, and even though we should blame the writer for it's details, we are still blaming President Bush.

He managed to get a bill passed on an important subject, which is a better start than most previous administrations have made.

Maybe the people who put Kennedy in office and keep him there should question him about the Education Bill. YA THINK?

119 posted on 01/13/2004 3:07:38 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ("Duty is ours, Results are God's" --John Quincy Adams)
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To: nopardons
No child left behind, CRF, seeking Amnesty to illegal immigrants AND Weapons ban, AND letting Clinton's off the hook, AND, asking for more money for Education, AND Health care fiasco, And endorsing Arlen Specter( Clinton lover) over a real conservative in PA Senate race.

Nominations are not coming into fruition, Rick Santorum has alot to do with partial birth abortion but I will give you that, and tax cuts I will give you, if they last...

120 posted on 01/13/2004 3:08:26 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ("were it not for the brave , there would be no land of the free")
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