[mac_truck]

Might made it right, eh.

The actual quotation, from which your garbled version springs, from has a much different meaning.

"Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the government, nor dungeons to ourselves. Let us have faith that right makes might , and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it." -- Abraham Lincoln Feb 27, 1860 Cooper Union

[exmarine]

Thanks for the Lincoln quote but I did not have that in mind with my comment. By might makes right, I meant that even though there were no legal grounds for FORCED union, the north had the power...hence "might made it right." My point was that union is voluntary and Lincoln made it involuntary. Can you show me in the U.S. Constitution or in the debates over it where it was determined that once a State voluntarily joins the Union, it cannot voluntarily leave it? Under Federalism, States were self-governing. The federal govt. had no power to enforce union. It militates against the bedrock principle of self-government. And today, we see where it has led - Federalism is DEAD - we have an unconstitutional Federal govt. and it all started with Lincoln (tho he could not foresee the consequences of his actions later).