DUMPING CONSERVATIVES AT THE BORDER

Laura's Weekly E-Blast ^ | 1/8/2004 | LAURA INGRAHAM

[Poohbah]

Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!! Unless you're Poohbah, you don't send all 5,000 of your BP agents to chase down one group of fifty illegals.

No, you're sending the only four BP agents in that particular sector to chase down fifty illegals, and there's another 500 or so crossing at about the same time.

[Happy2BMe]

If the guest worker program was so effecitve, why was it terminated?

Bush and Fox were all set to implement a revised version of the guest worker progam, but then 9/11 hit and it was put on the back burner until now.

What was announced this week is apparently the program they were working on revisited and Fox appears to have had his way with Bush to a large degree.

Wonder what was said away from the cameras between Fox and Bush about such things as revising the guest worker program, political cooperation and support from Mexico if Bush complied, and future plans to expand immigration to the point of dissolving the border between Mexico and the United States all together - similar to a European solution.

[Poohbah]

If the guest worker program was so effecitve, why was it terminated?

As a payoff to the AFL-CIO for getting the vote out for Lyndon Johnson in 1964.

[jpsb]

Going from memory,

"all persons shall be secure in thier person, papers and affects from unreasonable search and seizure."

The intent of this amendment was to protect one's home from warrantless searches. An NIS inspection of a work place is not unreasonable. The greater good, in preventing employers from hiring illegals far out weights the minor inconvenience of an inspection.

[jpsb]

I don't think it was all that effective. Ike, I've read, had to deport 1,000,000 illegals in his term (1952-1960). At least Ike did his job as president. Wish he were here today.

[Poohbah]

The intent of this amendment was to protect one's home from warrantless searches.

And place of business. Most businesses were run from homes. Also, the 4th Amendment does not specify homes. One's "papers and effects" could be found in one's business, and frequently one's person as well.

An NIS inspection of a work place is not unreasonable.

The greater good, in preventing employers from hiring illegals far out weights the minor inconvenience of an inspection.

"The greater good in preventing gun violence far outweighs the minor inconvenience of outlawing private firearms ownership."

"The greater good in preventing extremist views from inciting violence far outweighs the minor inconvenience of prior restraint on speech or publication."

[EverOnward]

On Post #33 -- haven't finished reading the rest of the posts -- but this is the first I've heard of a "Consitution Party." I'm a conservative independent looking for a home -- do you have any more information on the Constitution Party?

[Poohbah]

I don't think it was all that effective. Ike, I've read, had to deport 1,000,000 illegals in his term (1952-1960).

That's amazingly low across eight years.

The problem was manageable. It stopped being manageable in 1965. That isn't a coincidence.

[Happy2BMe]

Do long terms of education and attending institutions of learning produce wisdom, genuis, or madness in a person?

An elitist is as an elitist does.

[kevao]

No, you're sending the only four BP agents in that particular sector to chase down fifty illegals, and there's another 500 or so crossing at about the same time.

No, only Poohbah has just four BP agents in any given sector because Poohbah doesn't believe that a country with a $12 trillion GDP can afford any more manpower on the border.

[Happy2BMe]

"At least Ike did his job as president."

So is Bush - on us!

[jpsb]

Now who is being unreasonable? We have a huge problem in this country. I know I live in Texas and I run a business. A hell of alot of teenager are turning to dealing drugs cause there ain't no jobs for them. Wages in the building trade and many others have either gone down or remained flat since the early 70's cause illegals will work dirt cheap. If you can't help solve the problem then do us that are trying a favor and go way.

[Poohbah]

No, only Poohbah has just four BP agents in any given sector because Poohbah doesn't believe that a country with a $12 trillion GDP can afford any more manpower on the border.

The American public isn't willing to spend the money. Period. They'd rather have it spent on pork in their districts.

Second: absent immigration (legal AND illegal combined), America's population will decline. The only way to avoid this is to draft women into the Maternity Corps and order them to have babies, and after they reach majority, draft their kids into the Border Patrol. In short, unless you're willing to do those things, your policy is not sustainable in the long run (i.e., more than 20 years or so).

[Peace will be here soon]

I'm a conservative independent looking for a home -- do you have any more information on the Constitution Party?

There is a link on Post #75. It is a somewhat new party. I have been to their website only a few times, researching. I think I may have found a new home though. So far, everything they stand for reflects my views exactly. Definitely more than the Republican Party currently does.

[Poohbah]

Now who is being unreasonable?

You are.

We have a huge problem in this country.

That's the excuse every tyrant offers. "We have a huge problem, so y'all have to surrender your freedom for a little while."

A hell of alot of teenager are turning to dealing drugs cause there ain't no jobs for them.

Standard liberal mantra, I see.

[jpsb]

No not standard liberal mantra, I can go down to my bar right now a point out at least 4 or 5 young people that are dealing drugs cause they can't get a job. My bar as been broken into 3 times in the last three weeks by people that can't get jobs. Dido the other places in my little town. It is all about jobs, jobs and jobs. You rather have slaves, I'd rather have jobs for the kids and working people.

[jpsb]

That's the excuse every tyrant offers. "We have a huge problem, so y'all have to surrender your freedom for a little while."

You are not free to hire illegals.

[Poohbah]

I don't hire illegals. That means the INS has no frickin' business wandering into my place of business without a warrant.

[kevao]

The American public isn't willing to spend the money. Period. They'd rather have it spent on pork in their districts.

I have seen no polls on this, so I don't know. But if you'll allow me to extrapolate from the polls showing 65-85% of Americans being against unfettered illegal immigration, I suspect there would indeed be a great deal of support for beefing up the manpower on our borders. Unfortunately, no politician in either party, except Tancredo, is even proposing this.

Second: absent immigration (legal AND illegal combined), America's population will decline.

I'm not sold on the idea that only the illegals can save us from a population decline. There are millions of people around the world who have applied for U.S. citizenship. We should bring these people in faster.

[Happy2BMe]

"Second: absent immigration (legal AND illegal combined), America's population will decline."

Is Poohbah pro-abortion?