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Many see Bush immigration proposals as non-starter (Proposal Faces "Fierce" Resistence In House)
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| 01.07.04
| Alan Elsner
Posted on 01/07/2004 2:27:14 PM PST by Pubbie
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To: KantianBurke
In most states all you need to vote is to show ur Driver's Lisc. Here in California, there is NO requirement for any ID of any kind. YOu walk in, say your name, and if you're on the computerized printout you sign (and get an eyeful of other names on the list who haven't voted yet so you can run outside afterwards and tell your buddies, but I digress.....) and get your ballot.
How do you get on the computerized printout list? Call the elections dept. and have them send you a registration form, which you fill out and send in. That's it. Nobody checks to verify, to require proof, nothing.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:32:04 PM PST
by
Lizavetta
(Savage is right. Extreme liberalness is a mental disorder.)
To: futureceo31
Law breakers are no going to suddenly start obeying the law simply because we come up with a new set of laws. They'll do whatever they believe they have to do to maintain an advantage. The will
not meekly go back to Mexico at the end of three years just because we have a law that says they must.
They ignore the law now. What in the world makes you believe they will obey the law in the future if it's not to their liking?
To: rintense
Rintense, he won't have to veto it because it isn't likely to pass the House. In fact, it may never come to the floor for a vote since all House members face election every two years. The Dems won't want to sign on because they will complain it won't go far enough. Most Reps won't want to vote for it because they face defeat in their districts. The Senate is a different story. I don't know if there are enough strong, tough conservatives over there to stop such a bill.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:33:15 PM PST
by
Wolfstar
(George W. Bush — the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
To: AuH2ORepublican
Your post seems to be one of the most sensible I've read.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:33:45 PM PST
by
Tempest
To: Pubbie
Where is the provision in the guest worker program that provides for citizenship??? I think that there seems to be a bit of misinformation in your assertion.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:35:08 PM PST
by
Tempest
To: AuH2ORepublican
"And we certainly need workers for many industries in which native-born Americans refuse to work."
First, came you name those industries please?
And, after you have named them......ask yourself "WHY" native-born Americans refuse to work them.
It appears no-one wants to ask the question "why" Americans refuse to take these lower-paying jobs, including our President.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:37:57 PM PST
by
Prolifeconservative
(If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
To: Prime Choice
Maybe you can answer this because I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone. Where is the provision for amnesty in the proposal you heard today????
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:38:21 PM PST
by
Tempest
To: org.whodat
The law that Bush is proposing is that employers must post the job (either in the newspaper or internet) if an American applies the employer CAN NOT offer it to a guest worker.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:38:25 PM PST
by
McGavin999
(Don't be a Freeploader-Have you donated yet?)
To: willstayfree
"This is where I have a problem with Busch's logic.
This is suppose to be a country that operates through free enterprise. We pay people on the basis of supply and demand. If Americans will not take a job it is likely that the job just does not pay enough. Corporations are operating outside of the law when they hire illegal aliens to work these jobs for low pay. Companies should follow the law are pay a stiff price. And if they cannot find American workers to do the job they will just have to raise the pay rate and I guarantee that Americans will take the jobs. That is the American way!"
So you want to pay $12 dollar for a head of lettuce???!!
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:39:43 PM PST
by
Tempest
To: Tempest
They can now apply for Green Cards.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:39:47 PM PST
by
Pubbie
(* Bill Owens 2008 *)
To: Pubbie
Perhaps one of the few things President Bush and I (FWIW) have in common, other than our overall political orientation, is an appreciation for Uncle Remus's "Tar Baby" story.
And methinks the Dems are about to tumble into the ole briar patch....
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:39:49 PM PST
by
tracer
To: AuH2ORepublican
And we certainly need workers for many industries in which native-born Americans refuse to work. I see you've drunk the Kool-Aid.
There is no job Americans won't do, if illegals didn't lower the cost of wages by working for less, paying no taxes, getting no benefits, and sleeping in fields.
To: tracer
What do you mean?
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:41:31 PM PST
by
Pubbie
(* Bill Owens 2008 *)
To: Tempest; willstayfree
So you want to pay $12 dollar for a head of lettuce???!! Show me the math.
You make a statement like that, now show us the math.
To: YankeeReb
"If you were running a job such as asbestos removal, for example, and you didn't feel like paying extra $$$ for things like safety equipment and resparators who would you rather hire an american citizen with all the rights and protections afforded under OSHA and the EPA or an illegal mexican, who won't dare complain for fear of deportation? Take the same scenario, who's more likely to demand higher wages for hazardous work? Again, it isn't that americans are too lazy to work, but they won't work under slave conditions."
I would think that under a regulated guest worker program. Wages would have to increase somewhat because employers couldn't threaten deportation if an immigrant worker refused to work in hazardous conditions. It seems to me that the increased wage would make the job slightly more competative.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:43:07 PM PST
by
Tempest
To: Pubbie
bump
To: Pubbie
If they apply for a green card they can apply for citizenship. A blue card means they can work here for 3 years and then go home.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:46:49 PM PST
by
McGavin999
(Don't be a Freeploader-Have you donated yet?)
To: futureceo31
With all due respect, and with what I hope is a very gentle reminder of how the legislative process works: ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS (House and Senate) can write legislation at any time. Whether or not a particular bill gets very far depends on it's content, the support the originating member can drum up for it, and so on. Being head of the Executive Branch, all any president can do is propose legislation. It is ALWAYS up to Congress to hammer out the legislative details in a bill, pass it, and send it to the president for his signature.
What appears to have happened in this instance is that President Bush has outlined several provisions he'd like to see in legislation. He seems to have based his proposals on legislation that has already been written by John McCain and several other members of the Arizona delegation. What the above article is saying is that if the president does not put his muscle behind this legislation, it is likely to go nowhere this election year.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:47:21 PM PST
by
Wolfstar
(George W. Bush — the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
To: Pubbie
"They can now apply for Green Cards."
I'm sorry but I don't recall that be a special provision in todays proposal.
Do you mean that they can apply for green cards because they recieved a a guest worker visa. My impression is that this guest worker visa is rather specific and doesn't translate in to normal work visa.
Are you extrapolating or was their something clearly stating this. It sounded to me that many immigrant organization were frustrated by this proposal because it didn't provide for a way for the illegals to cut ahead of the line and obtain citizenship.
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posted on
01/07/2004 3:48:19 PM PST
by
Tempest
To: Pubbie
I will call tomorrow.
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