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To: m4629
“The bone scan was discovered in 1991, just a little over a year after Terri's initial collapse. Well, MS still very much needed Terri to get the big money at that time. Now, if he had nothing to do with the bone injuries, wouldn't you think he would scream bloody murder or gross negligence and start another lawsuit to go after another big pile of money?”

I think you are mistaken here. I believe that the bone scan was performed in 1991 but “discovered” by the Schindlers sometime later. Further, I don’t know that the bone scan was or was not introduced in the malpractice trial, but one thing is clear, the defendants in the malpractice suit certainly had the medical records which included the bone scan.

Bear in mind the original civil trial jury saw no red-flag on MS trying to kill his wife as it is evident today, but just the opposite, looking at him as a hard luck case, so in all probability the Deep-Pocket theory was their focus instead of possible criminal behavior of the husband. Therefore your assertion that there was a jury who dealt with this bone injury business is absurd.

I would seriously take issue with your assertion that MS “trying to kill his wife as it is evident today”. What evidence are you alluding to? All I see is so far is rank speculation, allegations and assertions. All the bone scan reveals is an abnormal accumulation of calcium that could be from a number of conditions, including osteoporosis. Additionally, In the post that you are responding to, I never said nor did I imply that the jury either considered, make any determination, or otherwise “dealt with this bone injury business”. Your characterization “[t]herefore your assertion that there was a jury who dealt with this bone injury business is absurd” is itself absurd.

”If you have info that this bone scan was indeed presented to the original civil jury D-D, then I'll challenge you to bring forth this information to us now. By default, if you fall silent, I'd take it that this is not the case, which validates the Schindlers' statement that this never came out and therefore possible criminal aspect was never considered in the first place.”

I have addressed this above. You are making assumptions that the bone scan is “proof “ that MS attacked and brutally beat Terri Schiavo on the morning of her collapse. It does not, however if it somehow can be twisted in to such “proof” how do you explain the complete absence of visible evidence of such a violent and ferocious beating? A beating of such magnitude that it breaks both ankles, both knees, a femur, her sacroiliac, vertebrae in her back, vertebrae in her neck ad fractures her skull without so much as leaving a mark, much less a bruise, on her body. Not one person at the time contemporaneous with Terri’s collapse reported any visible injury, not even Terri’s own brother or her own parents.

It just could be that the "bone scan did not come out" because it produced no evidence that Terri's condition was a result of any beating and was irrelevent to the cause of her collapse and subsequent brain injury.

220 posted on 01/07/2004 8:27:08 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: daylate-dollarshort
"You are making assumptions that the bone scan is “proof “ that MS attacked and brutally beat Terri Schiavo on the morning of her collapse."

I don't think posters here believe that Michael beat her on the day of Terri's collapse. You don't have to beat someone to strangle them. She may have been taken completely off guard.

The bone scan may prove that there had been previous beatings inflicted by Michael. That may have been one of the reasons that Terri, a practicing Catholic, was telling her girlfriend that she planned to divorce Michael.

I am still trying to find the references to the information you cited in your post #115 above. I can't find the information. You take things out of context and I would appreciate the original references to your statements above.

I see on your home page that you are or have been an investigator for:
1) an investigator for our local State's Attorney's Office
2) a paralegal / investigator both in private practice
and as an employee of more than a couple
of law firms.

Are you working for or previously worked for anyone connected to this case? You seem to be driven in your quest to have Terri killed.
222 posted on 01/07/2004 8:50:47 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: daylate-dollarshort; All
Dr. Hammesfahr will be on highway2health on the internet this evening discussing Terri's case. YOU DON'T DISCUSS STRANGULATION DO YOU? Wonder why not?
233 posted on 01/07/2004 11:02:50 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: daylate-dollarshort
I'm sorry d-d, but I beg to differ. Honestly, you have missed the crux of my argument in post #193, which is focused on what MS DID NOT do under the circumstances at the time.

....."I think you are mistaken here. I believe that the bone scan was performed in 1991 but “discovered” by the Schindlers sometime later. Further, I don’t know that the bone scan was or was not introduced in the malpractice trial, but one thing is clear, the defendants in the malpractice suit certainly had the medical records which included the bone scan."

The Schindlers only learned of the Bone Scan MUCH MUCH LATER as in late 2002 when it came out during the hearing. You have any evidence that they knew about this much earlier?

But let's suppose you were correct and the Schindlers knew about this in the early 1990s, don't you think they would press for explanation and action at that time? Afterall, they were aleady in the middle of a lawsuit so what' the big deal starting another injury suit if someone else other than MS caused those broken bones? Bear in mind MS and the Scindlers "were in it together" at that time, to try to get settlement money for Terri's care, so the Schindlers thought. How do you explain that? Unless of course, MS indeed was hiding this information from them as they claimed because he was protecting the culprit (himself?) I'd be curious to hear your explanation otherwise.

As to your claim that the defendants had the Bone Scan report, I am very doubtful in this case even tho normal procedure would require both sides handing over relevant information no later than the discovery stage.

Why? Because insurance people don't like to pay out big bucks without first ruling out every little angle that would let them weasel out of a settlement.

If they indeed had the Bone Scan records, don't you think they would ask questions of MS, the Schindlers, the nursing home staff and anyone that's connected to the case? But most of all, don't you think they would at least talk to, or depose Dr. Campbell Walker? He is the radiologist who did the exam and wrote the report.

Lo and behold, wouldn't you know it, Dr. Walker did in fact get deposed, but not back then. It was on Friday, November 21, 2003, by Pat Anderson, despite ferocious objections from Felos and MS. Dr. Walker did have much to say. So, put on your seatbelt d-d. You may wish to revise your opinion about the Bone Scan.

......."how do you explain the complete absence of visible evidence of such a violent and ferocious beating? A beating of such magnitude that it breaks both ankles, both knees, a femur, her sacroiliac, vertebrae in her back, vertebrae in her neck ad fractures her skull without so much as leaving a mark, much less a bruise, on her body. Not one person at the time contemporaneous with Terri’s collapse reported any visible injury, not even Terri’s own brother or her own parents."

I have the same question as you did above. But, that's not vindication for MS, far from it.

You see, as a close family and regular visitors of Terri, the Schindlers didn't notice that either prior to the Bone Scan in 1991. Yet, the broken femur etc were there! How do you explain that d-d? Did the nursing home staff miss something? Afterall, they were caring for Terri and had close contacts. How could they have no clue with all them broken bones? Conversely, is it also possible that the ER staff at the time of collapse missed these injuries during the confusion?

Regardless of the circumstances of how the broken bones happened, MS was playing kissy face with the Schindlers up until Feb 1993 and he kept this from them. Why?

Since we have medical personnel in this loop, I'd like their opinion on what kind of treatments were needed for Terri's broken bones and, more importantly, how long would that take. And where are the medical records for these treatments, if in fact they were performed?

d-d, I never said the Bone Scan by itself is Proof that MS beat her that night in 1990 and was the cause of her collapse. No Sir. What I am saying is MS has a big problem not disclosing this while being "on good terms" with the Schindlers at that time, before the settlement money came in.

Mind you, I do entertain the possibility that MS might have beat Terri that caused her collapse and the ER people missed critical signs just like the nursing home people might have done before getting the Bone Scan.

....."It just could be that the "bone scan did not come out" because it produced no evidence that Terri's condition was a result of any beating and was irrelevent to the cause of her collapse and subsequent brain injury."

Does your above statement make any sense? According to your own declaration as an investigator, WHY didn't the Defendants even ask questions about the Bone Scan if they had it? If you worked for the Defendant, wouldn't you want to ask the Schindlers If & When & How they noticed anything that might alert them to Terri's broken bone injuries? And more importantly, WHY wasn't another injury lawsuit filed? That would be expected of MS. Wouldn't you want to dig up something critical? I await your answer as an experienced investigator.

To your credit tho d-d, I must say you never did challenge my stance that there is sufficient Probable Cause regarding MS as a suspect. For that, you might consider helping MS by calling for a criminal investigation and, since he doesn't have anything to hide, he just might enjoy the benefit of not getting burnt by Double Jeopardy after running its course.




273 posted on 01/07/2004 6:58:23 PM PST by m4629
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To: daylate-dollarshort; All
Further, I don’t know that the bone scan was or was not introduced in the malpractice trial, but one thing is clear, the defendants in the malpractice suit certainly had the medical records which included the bone scan.

Late Flash.....

It has now come to my attention the Defendants in the original Malpractice trial did NOT receive the Bone Scan report, thus never had the opportunity to ask any questions about it or took action. Just as I suspected. As a past law enforcement officer d-d, I'm sure you realize the ramification of this. Mikey's house of cards is crumbling fast.

Now please do not ask for my sources d-d as the onus is not on me to prove something did not happen. You may wish to confront Mikey's lawyers tho.

This further points to the sinister nature of the whole deal, from the Very Beginning. Mikey and his lawyers knew what they were doing to deceive the courts and the public. This is blatant and willful misconduct on the part of the lawyers. But that's not surprising. They may have to face the music yet.

One of the original lawyers is Daniel J. Grieco II. He is a long time lawyer friend of Mikey, who did other work for Mikey and is still representing him for the 2001 Civil Fraud Case, which is in slow progress. Grieco is the son of the principal owner of the now defunct Agostino's Ristorante in Clearwater where Mikey worked. But there is more to this character. For those interested, you may wish to inquire about his past records with the Florida Bar.

There they were, the Schindlers naively believed it was only after Valentine's Day 1993 that Mikey cut them off to Terri's medical records, where in fact he had been hiding the Bone Scan (and what happened) all along while pursing the Big Money.

Had the Defendants got ahold of the Bone Scan, the original malpractice suit may well have a very different ending. Mikey could have ended up a resident of a Crowbar Castle instead of a Mansion, with girlfriends that have Adam's Apple instead of a mistress. Oh, sorry, that may still happen yet and Mikey may not be the only one in his crew.

For whatever reason Mikey was hiding the Bone Scan, his lawyers crossed the line by not advising him that he had to give it to the other side. Hmmm, was it his idea or theirs to begin with? They will have to answer for that now.

387 posted on 01/14/2004 11:41:31 AM PST by m4629
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