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| Steve Creedy
Posted on 01/04/2004 10:03:21 AM PST by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
The British Beagle 2 spacecraft is believed to have landed on Christmas Day but failed to establish contact. Japan's Nozomi probe sailed past the planet after failing to brake.
There is still hope for Beagle2. Pray for our British friends. My heart felt tears to the Japanese. This is indeed rocket science and after years of work to see it fail
well we as a nation know what that feels like. The missions are all different returning different data the scientific community needs to forge ahead with a manned mission. The loss of the data from Nozomi and possibly Beagle2 will delay this for years. JPL did a fantastic job, they deserve a big atta-boy and thanks from a grateful nation.
Jammer
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posted on
01/04/2004 10:31:20 AM PST
by
JamminJAY
(This space for rent)
To: Mark Felton
BTW, good to see ya, haven't talked in a long time. Keep up the good work over there against the kooks.
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posted on
01/04/2004 10:36:16 AM PST
by
Central Scrutiniser
(Never, ever, ever trust a Tax Protester that wants your money...)
To: Central Scrutiniser
BTW, good to see ya, haven't talked in a long time. Keep up the good work over there against the kooks.good to see ya also.
Sometimes I feel like I'm doing "missionary" work with the kooks, othertimes I feel like I'm just poking dead cats with a stick.
But the reality of it is that I am a student of human nature and it can be fascinating to watch the reactions of people who proclaim a profound committment to liberty yet shackle themselves with such self-defeating attitudes.
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posted on
01/04/2004 10:44:29 AM PST
by
Mark Felton
(One riot, one Ranger.)
To: Mark Felton
I hear ya, some of the folk there are so far beyond the fringe that they are in danger of falling off the edge of the earth. I expect one of the conspiracy nuts to weave some big story about how we didn't land...
I love you..:->
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posted on
01/04/2004 10:46:43 AM PST
by
Central Scrutiniser
(Never, ever, ever trust a Tax Protester that wants your money...)
To: trek
How about
US REFUSAL TO FUND UN LEAVES POOR NATIONS OUT OF MARS EXPLORATION
To: Mark Felton
"There's no doubt the Brits did a fine job and we all will learn much from their efforts." I wouldn't write off the Beagle-2 yet.
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posted on
01/04/2004 10:53:37 AM PST
by
blam
To: Mark Felton
I sure hope we the Americans we keep up our edge in space technology.
The Mars landing was a clear victory for NASA, let's hope Oppurtunity will have the similar success a few weeks from now.
Imagine the Rover was built by the French, it probably would run out of gas and raise a white flag half way to Mars!
Let's not forget the starcraft - Stardust - was able to follow a comet 150 miles behind its tail and collected a thimble full of stardust for analysis. To fly within 150 miles of a comet, when the comet is traveling over 13,000 miles an hr, is quite a statement of America's space technology.
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:11:45 AM PST
by
FRgal4u
To: McGavin999
I hadn't considered that the next "space race" would be against the EU-SSR.
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:16:53 AM PST
by
weegee
To: Mark Felton
Very nice, however I think this was Europe's first try and our first two were failures including one unforgivable one where our guys mixed metric and English measurements.
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:17:54 AM PST
by
HoustonCurmudgeon
(PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
To: longtermmemmory
You forgot: WOMEN AND CHILDREN IMPACTED HARDEST
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:18:33 AM PST
by
weegee
To: weegee
More on the limits of Bush's imperialism:
The untold stroy: For the past 9 months, American envoys have been negotiating with the Martians so that they would not accept the anti-american landers and would facilitate the landing of the US lander. This is more evidence of US's determination to go it alone and have it all its own way.
In any case, in the long run, this will be a setback for USA and will show that Rumsfeld has suffered a great defeat. The facts cannot yet be reported. Intrepid French reporters are tryign to figure out the angle of spin even now.
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:19:11 AM PST
by
ontos-on
To: blam
I wouldn't write off the Beagle-2 yet.
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:19:53 AM PST
by
ErnBatavia
(Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
To: MEG33
I tuned in CNN's "coverage" last night as Spirit was about to land. Motormouth Miles O'Brien and his scientist sidekick couldn't shut up for one second. As a result, the live comments from the control room at JPL were totally drowned out by their incessant bable. At one point O'Brien referring to the JPL people said something like "Are they saying anything there, or are they being quiet? It's hard to tell, sometimes." Yeah, right!
This was supposed to be live coverage of an incredible historic event. Miles acted like this was simply his big opportunity to show off all the factoids he'd crammed into his head. He even started blabbing about an earlier Mars mission just as Spirit was supposedly touching down and JPL was getting the confirmation tones that it was intact. I was so angry I was screaming "Shut up you morons!" at the t.v. screen. I heard very little of the live comments of the JPL spokesman as the event was happening. It was all Miles O'Brien. This blabbermouth should have been told by the CNN control booth to shut up and let the audience experience the event as it was happening.
This was the worse coverage of a live space exploration event that I have ever seen. I don't recall commentators b-s-ing while Neil Armstrong was stepping on the moon and uttering his immortal words.
Did anybody else notice this and have the same reaction?
To: longtermmemmory
New York Times Sunday January 4, 2004 2:12 PM EST
Howard Dean today blasted the Bush Administration for not finding humanoid life on Mars. "Clearly this expensive mission has failed to find any Democratic potential voters of any kind," said Dean.
John F. Kerry, in a prepared statement, said "This is an F'ing waste of taxpayer money that could be used to give all my F'ing black constituents money."
In a related story, Tom Daschle was deeply saddened.
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:31:04 AM PST
by
freedumb2003
(Peace through Strength)
To: WestSylvanian
Yeah, I noticed this too. I also switched over to Fox news after Spirit had already touched down and there was Geraldo talking about the "upcoming landing" as if it hadn't already happened. And this after Fox had just issued a special alert proclaiming the successful landing! Sheesh!
To: americanbychoice
We have had our fair share of failures too:
Mission, Country, Launch Date, Purpose, Results
* [Unnamed], USSR, 10/10/60, Mars flyby, did not reach Earth orbit
* [Unnamed], USSR, 10/14/60, Mars flyby, did not reach Earth orbit
* [Unnamed], USSR, 10/24/62, Mars flyby, achieved Earth orbit only
* Mars 1, USSR, 11/1/62, Mars flyby, radio failed at 106 million km (65.9 million miles)
* [Unnamed], USSR, 11/4/62, Mars flyby, achieved Earth orbit only
* Mariner 3, U.S., 11/5/64, Mars flyby, shroud failed to jettison
* Mariner 4, U.S. 11/28/64, first successful Mars flyby 7/14/65, returned 21 photos
* Zond 2, USSR, 11/30/64, Mars flyby, passed Mars but radio failed, returned no planetary data
* Mariner 6, U.S., 2/24/69, Mars flyby 7/31/69, returned 75 photos
* Mariner 7, U.S., 3/27/69, Mars flyby 8/5/69, returned 126 photos
* Mariner 8, U.S., 5/8/71, Mars orbiter, failed during launch
* Kosmos 419, USSR, 5/10/71, Mars lander, achieved Earth orbit only
* Mars 2, USSR, 5/19/71, Mars orbiter/lander arrived 11/27/71, no useful data, lander burned up due to steep entry
* Mars 3, USSR, 5/28/71, Mars orbiter/lander, arrived 12/3/71, lander operated on surface for 20 seconds before failing
* Mariner 9, U.S., 5/30/71, Mars orbiter, in orbit 11/13/71 to 10/27/72, returned 7,329 photos
* Mars 4, USSR, 7/21/73, failed Mars orbiter, flew past Mars 2/10/74
* Mars 5, USSR, 7/25/73, Mars orbiter, arrived 2/12/74, lasted a few days
* Mars 6, USSR, 8/5/73, Mars flyby module and lander, arrived 3/12/74, lander failed due to fast impact
* Mars 7, USSR, 8/9/73, Mars flyby module and lander, arrived 3/9/74, lander missed the planet
* Viking 1, U.S., 8/20/75, Mars orbiter/lander, orbit 6/19/76-1980, lander 7/20/76-1982
* Viking 2, U.S., 9/9/75, Mars orbiter/lander, orbit 8/7/76-1987, lander 9/3/76-1980; combined, the Viking orbiters and landers returned 50,000+ photos
* Phobos 1, USSR, 7/7/88, Mars/Phobos orbiter/lander, lost 8/88 en route to Mars
* Phobos 2, USSR, 7/12/88, Mars/Phobos orbiter/lander, lost 3/89 near Phobos
* Mars Observer, U.S., 9/25/92, lost just before Mars arrival 8/21/93
* Mars Global Surveyor, U.S., 11/7/96, Mars orbiter, arrived 9/12/97, high-detail mapping through 1/00, now conducting second extended mission through fall 2004
* Mars 96, Russia, 11/16/96, orbiter and landers, launch vehicle failed
* Mars Pathfinder, U.S., 12/4/96, Mars lander and rover, landed 7/4/97, last transmission 9/27/97
* Nozomi, Japan, 7/4/98, Mars orbiter, currently in orbit around the Sun; Mars arrival delayed to 12/13/03 then fails
* Mars Climate Orbiter, U.S., 12/11/98, lost upon arrival 9/23/99
* Mars Polar Lander/Deep Space 2, U.S., 1/3/99, lander and soil probes, lost on arrival 12/3/99
* Mars Odyssey, U.S., 3/7/01, Mars orbiter, arrived 10/24/01, currently conducting prime mission studying global composition, ground ice, thermal imaging
* Mars Express/Beagle 2, European Space Agency, 6/2/03, Mars orbiter/lander, due to enter orbit 12/25/03, landing 12/25/03 (evening of 12/24/03 in U.S. time zones)
To: e_engineer
of course, I agree. However, why should we start the clock now?
To: slouch-no-more
You mean Geraldo was talking about something other than Laci Peterson and Whacko Jacko? How is this possible?
To: Mark Felton
Meanwhile over on planet Venus it is Russia 15, NASA 3.
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:55:00 AM PST
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
LOL! Yeah, where's Hans Blix and Kofi Ananan when we "need" them?!
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posted on
01/04/2004 11:58:37 AM PST
by
Wolfstar
(George W. Bush — the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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