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Pope wants new international order to keep peace
Reuters
| January 1, 2004
| Claire Soares
Posted on 01/01/2004 5:55:35 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: DallasMike; WackyKat
John Calvin was particularly nasty and was responsible for many floggings, imprisonments, tortures, banishments, and burnings at the stake. The interesting thing is that no one is going to whine about me being a Protestant basher even though I've just slammed one of the most influential Protestants in history. You obviously missed the hundreds of threads between the Calvinists and opposing protestants on the Religion Forum in which Calvinists continually cry foul when what you just mentioned is brought up.
Its also intersting to note that witch burnings were almost 100% a protestant phenomenon, and protestants were guilty of as many or more deaths of Catholics than vice versa (the starvation of Catholic Ireland by protestant England more than outweighs any excesses of the Inquisition), but some anti-Catholic bigots simply blame Catholicism for every evil known to history and are blind to their own churches' sins.
To: Bluntpoint
The Vatican did not then, and does not now, guide our foreign policy.
X42 was a traitor in several ways, and Monicagate was only the tip of the iceberg. The "UN" action in Bosnia was one of the dumbest moves ever made by mankind--on a par with the UN's LACK of movement in Africa.
JPII has plenty of reasons to indicate that the UN is a box of rocks--but perhaps a good model, if filled with good people.
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:30:14 PM PST
by
ninenot
(So many cats, so few recipes)
To: Bluntpoint
Believe me, I know more about Bernardin than I care to. In the last seven years, the rebuilding began from the seminaries to the pews. Another ten years and most of the rest of the apostate bishops will have retired. In this case, patience is a very good thing.
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:30:18 PM PST
by
Desdemona
(Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
To: Tao Yin
So now you have a catchy acronym: Yopios. Very cute, but no substance. Yes, you'll see the acronym YOPIOS pretty often around here. That odd since the Catholic church has only infallibly interpreted a handfull of scripture passages. However, facts and logic don't set well with these folks.
To: CAtholic Family Association; BlackElk
but some anti-Catholic bigots simply blame Catholicism for every evil known to historyIt is no small irony that on THIS thread, the anti-Catholics would, in effect, have JPII re-start the Crusades...
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:34:01 PM PST
by
ninenot
(So many cats, so few recipes)
To: Gal.5:1
Yeah sure. We'll hide it away in plane sight. In fact, we'll chain it to a post in the middle of the Church so that everyone has a chance to read it and no one can steal it; since the printing press has not yet been invented our monks have to spend entire lives just to produce a few highly precious copies.
Nice try.
To: CAtholic Family Association
but some anti-Catholic bigots simply blame Catholicism for every evil known to history and are blind to their own churches' sins. I used to hate Baptist Night at the local movie theater.
To: BlackElk
Don't include me in iwith Catholic haters,,I hate some Catholics but I am an equal opportunity hater including methodists, baptists and jews on my list also. As to DaVinci code, it was fascinating and I did not see it as Anti Catholic.
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:39:09 PM PST
by
cajungirl
(I adore the Brits!! Tony Blair is my hero!!)
To: ninenot
Well, Mikey, I see you crawled out of your hole for the show. And I see that you're still the James Carville of Catholicism: All insults and no substance.
To: DallasMike
That odd since the Catholic church has only infallibly interpreted a handfull of scripture passages. Really? If its only a small handfull, them I'm sure it will be easy for you to list them here.
And then we can compare the 2000 year old interpretation of those scriptures to YourOwnPersonalInterpretationOfScripture TM.
To: CAtholic Family Association
To be accurate -- Guttenberg invented the printing press to print Catholic bibles to give the good monks some much needed help and to get the good news out.
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:40:40 PM PST
by
cebadams
(much better than ezra)
To: Bluntpoint
Bernardine cemented the homosexual lock on the seminaries. Bernadin is likely getting his right now. It will take years to undo the damage he has caused.
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:42:07 PM PST
by
NeoCaveman
(Happy New Year)
To: cajungirl
I hate Mormons. They are planning to take over the entire world.
To: ninenot
It is no small irony that on THIS thread, the anti-Catholics would, in effect, have JPII re-start the Crusades... They are amusing.
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:43:09 PM PST
by
NeoCaveman
(Happy New Year)
To: cebadams
Yes, thanks for that correction. But I guess the Church hid those Guttenberg bibles in the same tunnels where Maria monk buried her babies...or so I expect to hear soon from the esteemed protestant academics on this thread.
To: CAtholic Family Association
You obviously missed the hundreds of threads between the Calvinists and opposing protestants on the Religion Forum in which Calvinists continually cry foul when what you just mentioned is brought up. I participated in a few of the earlier threads but my eyes quickly glazed over. I don't doubt that some have cried "Protestant-basher" when these things are brought up but I haven't seen it done personally. On the other hand, little yappers like ninenot and big bellowers like BlackElk cry "Catholic-basher" every time they get the chance. Wrong is wrong whether it's committed by Catholics or Protestants.
To: dubyaismypresident
I found the Crusades somewhat slapstick.
To: HAL9000
Why is everyone seeing the glass as half empty...
"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations,"
I take that to mean learn from the failure and do nothing nature of the UN and make something better, if anything this is a strike against the UN, if the UN was so great why would the Pope be calling for a new order?
And as the head of the largest Chrisitan denomination in the world it would not be very Christlike for him to call for war and revenge on our enemies, is that what Christ did from the cross?
It is the government's duty to go to war, it is the Pope's duty to call for peace.
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:47:35 PM PST
by
battousai
(Coming Soon to an election near you: Pasty White Hillary and the Nine Dwarfs!)
To: sneakers
I don't agree with JPII on this either, but there is good news buried beneath his plea for an new international group: the implication that the U.N. is an otiose body. I hope the liberals seize on this particular opinion of the Pope's, because in doing so, they, too, would be conceding the U.N. is a joke.
To: cajungirl
I did not see it as Anti CatholicAs long as you remember that ALL of the book is fiction, you're OK.
If you believe the "historian"'s assertions about the Church hiding all sorts of evidence 'proving' that Xt married Magdalene, etc., etc.--then you've drunk the KoolAid.
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posted on
01/01/2004 5:56:26 PM PST
by
ninenot
(So many cats, so few recipes)
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