From Here to Eternity. The unintended consequences of war.(Ripples of Battle, a book review)

The Washington Monthly ^ | December 03 | Jon Meacham

[PogySailor]

Thanks for that tip. I was planning on digging into Ripples of Battle, but I'll read Carnage and Culture first.

[tpaine]

Thanks for the review..

"To Sherman," writes Hanson, "it was wrong to fight at Shiloh, in which his Midwesterners--themselves no abolitionists--were blasted apart while shooting down poor Southern boys who owned neither slaves nor much property.
Far more humane, he grasped, was to burn the estates of the rich and the buildings of the rebel statesmen who had voted for secession; free the slaves who were critical to the Southern economy and whose enslavement had prompted the rebellion; and demonstrate that no Confederate soldier could charge the Union line with the certainty that his government and homeland far to the rear were safe from fire and ruin."

Hanson is [imo] getting close to formulating a new western philosophy of war, -- in which 'we' stop trying to win their "hearts & minds", -- and go to the root of the evil.. --
-- The fanatical leaders whose statist/fascist ideas infect their followers to make war on our human freedoms.

Hansons is a very radical idea, one that once it is truly understood by our own would be 'leaders', will be much resisted. - Bet on it.

[Katya]

bump

[Valin]

I have always loved history and read more than my share of history, but Carnage and Culture was the first time I've had a writer ask why instead of who, how, when. And that's why I recomend it to everyone.

[Valin]

You could be on to something.

[neverdem]

Lest I forget filing for a 2000 tax refund, Happy New Year!!!!

[Valin]

AH...you might want to take a look at a calender.

[xkaydet65]

yhanx for the ping. Happy New Year

[neverdem]

AH...you might want to take a look at a calender.

I believe I have 26 hours. Do you want to be more explicit about my errors to file for a refund?

[Valin]

2000 tax refund. Here in Mn. it's 2003. :-)

[neverdem]

2000 tax refund. Here in Mn. it's 2003. :-)

Who said I'm not one of the world's greatest procrastinators. I'm letting the gubmint borrow cheap anyway.

[Valin]

Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after.

[tpaine]

Hanson is [imo] getting close to formulating a new western philosophy of war, -- in which 'we' stop trying to win their "hearts & minds", -- and go to the root of the evil.. --

-- The fanatical leaders whose statist/fascist ideas infect their followers to make war on our human freedoms.

Hansons is a very radical idea, one that once it is truly understood by our own would be 'leaders', will be much resisted. - Bet on it.
22 tpaine

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You could be on to something.

-- I have always loved history and read more than my share of history, but Carnage and Culture was the first time I've had a writer ask why instead of who, how, when. And that's why I recomend it to everyone.
-Valin-

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In his 'Afterword' to a new edition of Carnage & Culture, written 6 months after 9/11, Hanson comments:

" -- it is almost as if with greater power comes greater insecurity;" ---

--- " If that ignorance about our contemporary strength is as widespread as it seems then the final premise of Carnage & Culture -- that the chief danger of western militaries is not their weakness, but their unmatched power to kill -- remains the most germane yet the most unrecognized lesson of our current conflict."


 

[Utah Girl]

I saw Victor Davis Hanson on C-Span2 answering questions about his latest book. He is a great author and a very thoughtful man.

[Ancesthntr]

FYI, guys, from a guy who's done or looked at thousands of returns over the years:

1) if you file a tax return late and expect a refund, it must be filed within 2 years of the due date of the return (i.e. 4/15/03 for the 2000 return which was due on 4/15/01); but...

2) if you did file your return, even late, you can file an amended return (Form 1040X) within 3 years of the filing date of the original return.

[Just another Joe]

Wars will always create ripples that no one but the Allmighty Himself will know about.

That these ripples can sometimes combine and create waves that will be known about, possibly for centurys, shouldn't surprise anyone.