WITH A WHISPER, NOT A BANG (Patriot Act II signed by President on December 13, 2003)

San Antonio Current ^ | 12/24/03 | David Martin

[FreeReign]

We cannot know, can we? The laws are SECRET.

The world according to Laz.

[Federal Government]:We the people do hereby accuse Lazamatz of breaking a secret law.

[Jury]:What law is Laz accused of breaking?

[Federal Government]:WE can't say because it's secret.

[Jury]WTF!!!!!

[Lazamataz]

You remain substance-free.

At least you are doggedly consistent.

[Lazamataz]

Jury]:What law is Laz accused of breaking? [Federal Government]:WE can't say because it's secret.

This scenario has existed in many countries for decades. Russia. China. The Asian Rim countries.

It is one of my many goals to make sure this cannot and does not occur here.

[inquest]

At least I can vote out the executive branch if it runs amuck with these laws.

Really? So if Bush starts abusing these powers, who you gonna vote for? Dean?

[FreeReign]

[freee]:The fact that probable cause and a warrant are no longer required is all that is needed.

[sinkspur]:Probable cause is still required.

Probable cause is still required in a National security letter. The question is, what are the judicial checks and balances of a NLS?

Also a question is the number of e's in freeee?

[Protagoras]

Try actually reading the act.

I assume from that that you have. Please provide the link for the rest of us. Thank you.

[Lazamataz]

Really? So if Bush starts abusing these powers, who you gonna vote for? Dean?

If Bush starts abusing executive powers, I will vote for neither.

After all, by your stipulation, I would need to vote for Dictator One or Dictator Two.

And I don't vote for dictators.

[Lower55]

Oh, give it your best shot. Even if I'm a bit thick, there are always the lurkers to consider.

Ok. Here goes....slowly sou you can understand.

T H E R E

A R E

P E O P L E

T H A T

W A N T

T O

K I L L

U S...

You may not understand this simple fact, but thank God some in this administration do.

[Squantos]

Ditto....

[Lower55]

At least you are doggedly consistent.

A foreign concept to you, I'm sure.

[Lazamataz]

T H E R E A R E P E O P L E T H A T W A N T T O K I L L U S...

Oh, well, why didn't you say so! Let's do away with the Bill of Rights right away then!

[inquest]

Hey man, I'm on your side in this! Check the context of my post.

[Lower55]

Let's do away with the Bill of Rights right away then!

They did that long ago....when they decided they could confiscate my money to pay for your welfare and entitlements. This act is less abusive "IMHO" to that.

[freeeee]

what are the judicial checks and balances of a NLS?

None that I am aware of. Lacking an enforcement mechanism (traditionally called checks and balances) probable cause becomes irrelevent.

5 e's.

[Lazamataz]

A foreign concept to you, I'm sure.

Dogged (and dogmatic) consistency is indeed a foreign concept to me.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Lazamataz]

Hey man, I'm on your side in this! Check the context of my post.

Sorry, pal. :o) Sometimes I call napalm in on the wrong coords. :o)

[inquest]

Interesting response to Sabe's point. Here he is talking about how Ridge is being remiss in looking out for national security, and you respond by telling him that we have a national security problem. Brilliant.

[Lower55]

"A foolish consistency

Your MO, not mine.

[Sabertooth]

Ok. Here goes....slowly sou you can understand.

T H E R E

A R E

P E O P L E

T H A T

W A N T

T O

K I L L

U S...

You may not understand this simple fact, but thank God some in this administration do.

Oh, I understand that part just fine.

Here's the part that continues to elude me...

I F

T H E R E

A R E

P E O P L E

W H O

W A N T

T O

K I L L

U S,

T H E N

W H Y

D O E S

T H E

B U S H

A D M I N I S T R A T I O N

F A C I L I T A T E

T H E I R

A C T I V I T I E S

I F

T H E Y

U S E

M E X I C A N

I D E N T I F I C A T I O N

C A R D S ?

[inquest]

Sometimes I call napalm in on the wrong coords.

'Sokay. I was having a hard time warming up my pizza anyway.