[bam]

Social Security in the long run is a mathematical impossibility. Maybe you could save it for two or three generations by increasing the population, but much longer than that the population required to sustain Social Security, (assuming current retirement age, longevity, and worker/retiree ratio) will not fit in the country.

Besides that, just the older family members that these illegals would bring in if they became citizens would probably suck more out of Social Security than they ever would pay into it. And besides that, the taxes required for social programs, education, prisons, medical, infrastructure etc. is more than what would be contributed to Social Security (or any other taxes). Wouldn't it be better to allow people to be responsible for and save for their own retirement by having to pay less in taxes than to make them dependent on government and the Social Security Ponzi scheme? Politicians liking dependence on government might be another reason they are pushing this.

Using Social Security to justify immigration is not fiscally sound and will eventually hit an environmental brick wall -- but, I guess, we will just continue to live in Disneyland as long as the politicians continue to promise something for nothing.

I wouldn't count on too much success in educating illegals to be Americans either. There are just too many of them that think it should be the other way around -- that Americans have been or should be trained to accommodate them. C-SPAN had a segment on this topic today and there was a caller who was a teacher in the trenches in LA teaching mainly illegal immigrants and she pretty much confirmed that.

[lakey]

Bush has told us what he wants to do with Social Security. Privatize it.

By law, that money belongs to the people. The way I understand the system, Congress "borrows" from the fund and never repays what they spend on various programs.

When Jerry Brown was governor of California, there was a surplus in tax monies. I don't recall what taxes. But, by LAW, the surplus HAD to be returned to taxpayers. The amount was something like $200 each. Brown would have preferred to save the money as a "cushion," he said, but the LAW forbade it.

Just you wait - Bush is going to do some fancy tap dancing to get SS into some gimmicky Goldman Sachs setup - or whatever financial broker. The whole idea all along has been to get complete control of the money. My humble opinion.

Back around 1999, I told FReepers that Bush was an "Establishment Man" - but I agreed to vote for him.

Merry Christmas!