I Believe I Just Witnessed Attempted Voter Registration Fraud

me | December 16, 2003 | prairiebreeze

[prairiebreeze]

Today as I was leaving my local grocery store a woman was standing at the exit doors holding a clipboard with a Dennis Kucinich sticker on it. She stated she was representing Dennis Kucinich and was asking people who were leaving the store if they were registered to vote. She stated she was registering voters.

I was very pressed for time at the particular moment as I was late for an appointment and unfortunately felt that I couldn't stop to speak with her or confront her then and there. After my appointment, about 30 minutes later I returned to the store. The woman was gone. I spoke with the store manager Mr. ***** who confirmed he had asked her to leave as that activity was against store policy inside the store. He stated that other customers had reported the woman to the customer service desk which was how he was alerted to her presence. Mr. ****** relayed that the woman stated she had been to several various stores in the area this morning trying to register voters for Kucinich and had most likely been turned out of all of them.

Interestingly the store manager indicated that store policy would have no problem with this woman standing out on their sidewalk, i.e. a public place, to conduct this activity, "like the Boy Scouts selling candy". I pointed out that there was no comparison in the two activities and that voter registration required verification of citizenship and age and needed to be done by state or county officials. (sheesh!)

Unfortunately Mr. ***** didn't get the womans name. He was a bit flustered, trying to cover his butt and wanting to make sure I wasn't mad at him or the store. I made sure I remained positive and pleasant throughout.

When I told him that the woman was registering voters for Kucinich he said, "I don't even know who Kucinich is?" I had to tell him. A fine example of the voting populace.....

[CalKat]

In California, it is illegal to ask for ID at a polling place.

[prairiebreeze]

Yeah she was inside. According to a website that was posted these are the locations that are valid:

County Clerk's office
Board of Election's office
City and village offices
Township offices
Precinct Committeemen
Some schools
Some public libraries
Some labor groups
Some civic groups
Some corporations
Military recruitment offices

When applying for services at the following:
Driver's License Facilities
Department of Public Aid offices
Department of Public Health offices
Department of Mental Health & Developmental Disabilities offices
Department of Rehabilitation Services offices

http://www.elections.state.il.us/VoteInfo/pages/Register.htm

[breakem]

ouch

[Pan_Yans Wife]

I would think a list of prohibited sites would be more helpful. Because now the entire burden is upon you, and if you want to pursue this, you are going to have to act quickly.

[prairiebreeze]

In California, it is illegal to ask for ID at a polling place

Just Damn! More requirements:

What are the voter registration requirements? Must be a U.S. Citizen Must be at least 18 years of age by election day Must have been a resident of the precinct at least 30 days When may I register to vote? Registration is open year round except: During the 27-day period just prior to an election During the 2 days after such election (1 day after in Chicago)

Sorry that isn't formatting as well as I'd like it to

[prairiebreeze]

Heh! Probably right about that one. I can't think what else to do. I have no name, no further info than the name of the store.

The political office at the RNC (say what you want Freepers, it was the only place I could think to call) did seem interested in this.

Obviously in some areas this is rampant practice. shudder. Maybe even here, although I've lived here several years and never had this experience at my grocery store.

So again......I dunno.

Prairie

[CalKat]

Are you sure those aren't the locations where a registration form can be obtained? We have registration forms in those types of locations here, but a person can register almost anywhere, i.e., someone goes to the County Clerk's office and picks up a stack of registration forms, then goes out to register voters at the mall, or the grocery store, or the college campus, or the County Fair, etc.

Otherwise, they sure make it hard to register to vote in IL.

[Bernard Marx]

This is what the manager tried to distinguish by saying she could be outside but not inside the store I suppose.

I think it would probably be legal within the store, too. It's just that most businesses don't want to associate themselves with a partisan political view. My registration table at the mall was on private property (commons area, not within a store) but the mall's policy was to allow registration tables for both parties.

The real problem with all this is states like CA that are utterly lax about validating the legality of voter registrations. The so-called "motor voter" law was a bald example of Democrat-inspired voter manipulation. It's designed to register illegal aliens, skulls full of mush and welfare types who would never register on their own but welcome government hand-outs. They register them as Democrats and pick them up by the bus-load to haul them to polling places on election day.

They also spend fortunes on "walking around money": cash payoffs to street people, etc. to get them to vote. They do everything but mark the ballot for them in the booth (they show them how beforehand!) Sadly, both parties do it but the Rats are way ahead of the Pubbies on this. They have multitudes of warm bodies from unions who are more than happy to spend a day compromising the Republic.

[Brandon]

What she was doing would be perfectly legal in Iowa, where I live. I've done it myself. The only part that was technically a violation of any kind was being inside the store without the owner's permission, and she left as soon as he asked her to. No harm, no foul.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

But, if those are just places where the forms are found, you could fill them out anywhere. Much like the applications that are sent in the mail.

[ChefKeith]

If You can find out this persons name then check with the County Clerk and find out if this person is a voter regestrair (in Texas You go to the clerk and sign up and get all the rules and cards to sign up voters, BUT You MAY NOT be selective in sign ups ie particular party or canadate) and if they are the Clerk should pull the privledges from this person.

[prairiebreeze]

Well now maybe that's a thought CalKat. Although it's sure not clear that's what they are saying on the IL website. An IL Freeper on the local forum has just responded that the man-on-the-street system is legal here. I should have asked there first I guess.

I have never been approached to vote register in a store in my life. Until today. It makes me queasy how lax this probably is.

Sounds like California has permanent queasiness? LOL

Prairie

[Veritas_est]

I think voter fraud is for voting illegally. I think this woman was performing a public service. Where I live, they mailed me the form, I mailed it back, and was registered. I am sure they verified my residence. Heck, you could register everyone in your county, that doesn't mean they are going to show up on election day and vote. I think you jumped the gun on this.

Actually prairiebreeze has not jumped the gun even though your comment about voter fraud is technically correct. What we have here is a case of nation wide voter fraud by legislation.

The dems wrote MOTOR VOTER for this express purpose. They inserted numerous hidden loop holes in that legislation. Now they are using those loop holes. They will do ANYTHING to register their minions to vote.

While this legislation didn't make it legal to register illegal aliens etc. it did make it near impossible to check it out and in fact discourages checking.

When a person registers to vote, even if they don't see or read the fine print about being a citizen etc. their signature says they are a citizen. NONE of the statements will be checked, and they will be allowed to vote.

It's called planned loop holes. The authors of the bill know where they are, how to use, and abuse them.

They (RATS) recently did the same thing (again with a lot of help from republicrats) with campaign finance reform. It is riddled with planned holes which allow those who wrote them to take advantage of them and funnel vast amounts of money into the party of their choice.

[prairiebreeze]

Texas sounds like it tries to verify that registrars are on the up and up. I didn't see that here. This gal was out on her own mission! Getting kicked out of one store after the other.

[Capriole]

RNC ? They don't give a damned [sic] about us either.

I beg your pardon. I work there often and I can assure you that they/we do care very much about you, whoever you are.

[Cultural Jihad]

At least in my state there's no crime in registering voters so long as no one is denied registration because of party affiliation.

[Dave S]

Whats your problem? If its illegal for non governmental people to register voters than she really wasnt registering anyone. If it is legal, then its not voter fraud. If legal than you need to go after your state reps for allowing it, not run to the RNC.

[thoughtomator]

Occam's Razor says that the probability is that this woman is stupid beyond belief, which is why she can take a candidate that purports to be be endorsed by forest animals seriously.

[Chummy]

The (Democrat) District Attorney from Milwaukee County refused prosecution of a number of other alleged voter irregularities that election, including voting by felons that was revealed by the newspaper in general circulation in the city, as well as reports of college students voting more than once each.

Here's a bit of trivia for that Store Manager re: Dennis Kucinich: twenty-five years ago today (December 16, 1978) the City of Cleveland defaulted. Its Mayor at the time was?

[prairiebreeze]

I'm getting more info from locals. May this isn't legal here after all.

will post in a few minutes

Prairie