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The Supreme Court Allows Arrests of All in Drug Stops (PoliceState)
AP ^ | Dec 15,2003 | GINA HOLLAND

Posted on 12/15/2003 2:17:27 PM PST by ask

Court Allows Arrests of All in Drug Stops

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court issued a traffic warning Monday: Beware of whom you ride with. If drugs are found in a vehicle, all occupants can be arrested, the justices said in a unanimous decision.

It was a victory for Maryland and 20 other states that argued police frequently find drugs in traffic stops but no one in the vehicle claims them. The court gave officers the go-ahead to arrest everyone.

In a small space like a car, an officer could reasonably infer "a common enterprise" among a driver and passengers, the justices ruled.

The case stemmed from an incident in 1999, when police in the Baltimore suburbs pulled over a speeding car. A search revealed a roll of cash in the glove compartment and cocaine in an armrest in the back seat.

The driver and the two passengers denied having anything to do with the contraband, so all three men were arrested.

Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, writing for the court, said police had probable cause to suspect that the drugs belonged to any of the three, or all of them.

Lisa Kemler, a criminal defense attorney from Alexandria, Va., said the court seems to be saying: "know who your company is."

"How many times have you gotten a ride with a friend? Are you going to peer around in their glove compartment?" asked Kemler, who fears the ruling will lead to a police dragnet. "You could find probable cause to arrest everybody."

Michael Rushford, president of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, a pro-law enforcement group, said police can't be expected to sort out ownership of drugs or guns in the middle of a traffic stop.

"You certainly wouldn't let three people with Uzis in their car leave because no one would admit the uzis were theirs," he said.

Maryland's highest court had thrown out the conviction of a passenger in the car, Joseph Jermaine Pringle, on grounds that his arrest violated the Constitution's Fourth Amendment ban on unreasonable searches or seizures. The Supreme Court reversed that decision.

"Pringle's attempt to characterize this case as a guilt-by-associaton case is unavailing," Rehnquist wrote in the brief decision.

Pringle told police later that the drugs were his and that he had planned to swap them for sex or money at a party. His 10-year prison sentence will be reinstated.

The American Civil Liberties Union and National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers filed a brief supporting Pringle. Their lawyer said the ruling will sweep innocent passengers into criminal cases.

"There's nothing in this opinion to prevent a police officer from arresting a graduate student who is offered a ride home late at night from a party that she has attended with some fellow students," said Tracey Maclin, a Boston University law professor.

The court's rationale could be used in other police search cases, involving homes, Maclin said.

The ruling dealt with the discovery of drugs and cash, but it could apply to other contraband as well.

Supporting Maryland in the case were the Bush administration, along with Alabama, Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, and Puerto Rico.

The case is Maryland v. Pringle, 02-809.

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To: Revel
Obviously if it's in his pocket there's no question who owns it, or who possesses it.
141 posted on 12/15/2003 6:51:59 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Sandy
You may just be operating under a misconception of what the search Terry allows entails. Terry searches are okay ANYTIME the officer 'feels threatened.' That's part of the case the 'Terry' comes from--an officer patted down the suspect because he felt threatened and found contraband. That has been expanded so that an officer can search a car anywhere the driver can easily reach, so that the officer can stop 'feeling threatened.' The search that the officer has to have permission for or probable cause for would be one in which the officer could not find any threatening or illegal object inside the car within 'reach of the driver,' which essentially means anything in the passenger compartment of the car these days. Like a locked box or trunk.
142 posted on 12/15/2003 6:52:29 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (When laws are regularly flouted, respect of the law and law enforcement diminishes correspondingly.)
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To: Ed_in_NJ

I doubt it.

143 posted on 12/15/2003 6:52:30 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
"all occupants can be arrested, the justices said in a unanimous decision."

Most cabs are driven from the inside.

144 posted on 12/15/2003 7:02:16 PM PST by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Cultural Jihad
Obiously the USSC just rule that it does not matter. You get arrested anyways. Finger prints, mug shots, DNA, and a police record. Even you are not found guilty in the end. Do you have no concept of your ex constitution rights?
145 posted on 12/15/2003 7:02:43 PM PST by Revel
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To: Cultural Jihad
Of course with your screen name I am not so sure you even are an American citizen.
146 posted on 12/15/2003 7:05:18 PM PST by Revel
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To: ask
The Supreme Court issued a traffic warning Monday: Beware of whom you ride with. If drugs are found in a vehicle, all occupants can be arrested, the justices said in a unanimous decision.

Okay if that is the way they feel then we should hold them ALL acountable for the CFR ruling, not just the ones who upheld it.

147 posted on 12/15/2003 7:06:57 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Ed_in_NJ
The ruling affirms the use of common sense, which your question didn't encompass.
148 posted on 12/15/2003 7:08:08 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: MissAmericanPie
I think this is best left the the disgression of the arresting officer, instead of making it mandatory. How do you feel about it?

The officer on the beat is always the last line of defense for the Constitution. They are in the same unique position jurors are in...they have the discretion and ability, no "nullify" the law by choosing not to enforce it.

A law that forces prosecution of everyone in the car, removes discretion. This is as horrible as mandatory minimum sentences. It takes away control from anyone other than "big brother."

This country is going down the toilet thanks to judicial oligarchy. Something has to be done. Same thing with mandatory minimums. They have to go. The police state and 1984 is here.

149 posted on 12/15/2003 7:12:08 PM PST by Indie (Have you bought more ammo today??? My rights are guaranteed by Smith and Wesson. How about yours?)
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To: Hardastarboard
Thanks to this ruling, we can all have the experience of DWB (driving while black). No matter your heritage or race

Ok, don't get me started on this one. I never EVER saw this happen or heard about it happening in Dallas. Your actions in the car or how you drove to call attention to yourself spoke volumes, but not skin color. Officers don't go looking around and say "Hey there goes a black man! Get him!" Heck in this country today, you are as likely to be stopped 1) in OK just because you got a TX plate, 2) in a small town 'cause you are a city clicker 3) in a small town 'cause you're riding a motorcycle (like me) 4) in the deep south 'cause you're not "local" etc ad infinitum.
The "because I'm black" thing don't wash anymore than any other reason some turkey might stop you.
Dallas used to be clean, until people with questionable backgrounds started getting hired because of their skin color. Then we started seeing lots of crap.

~"you're a racist!!" flame suit is zipped up~

The main point is this ruling stinks. Between this and mandatory minimums and the disgusting WOD, we are closer to a police state than ever before. But it's really the state doing the policing, not the police themselves.

150 posted on 12/15/2003 7:28:46 PM PST by Indie (Have you bought more ammo today??? My rights are guaranteed by Smith and Wesson. How about yours?)
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To: Revel
You say "it would be ok to be taken in and questioned" -- But that IS exactly what an arrest is -- if you are not free to go, you are arrested. So, unless you think that the cops should have been required to let everyone go (or maybe not the driver-- but remember that the drugs were in the BACK seat armrest, making his deniability more plausible and the back seat passengers more possibly culpable), what's your principle?

Search cases oftern turn on very fine factual differences. It may very well be that you get a different result if the drugs are in the glove compartment, and doubly so if a locked glove compartment. The only thing the case decides is that an ultimate conviction, by a jury, can't be overturned becasue of the initial search, and that the coip can't be sued successfully.

151 posted on 12/15/2003 7:32:13 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: BohDaThone
There is not guarentee with this law that you will be questioned first. It is just as more likely that you will be arested and then questioned. And The USSC just ruled that is ok.
152 posted on 12/15/2003 7:35:29 PM PST by Revel
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To: Cultural Jihad
Whose 'common sense?' This thing is so full of holes, it will create a whole new specialty in the shyster business.

How about a van full of people going to the airport - 15 people who don't know each other -- in close proximity -- arrest all 15? How about a busload, say 50?

Common sense is exactly what's missing in this: define 'close proximity' -- is it the size of a car, a van, a bus, a train car (let's grab all 250 of 'em)?

Going to rely on the common sense of the arresting cop, who's ticked off 'cause he's getting jacked around? Come on, use some common sense!

153 posted on 12/15/2003 7:39:06 PM PST by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Ed_in_NJ
Anyone can use common sense to see that a patron and a hired cab driver are in the same car, but who only have a common interest in getting from point A to point B. Three friends would present a different set of circumstances. A private car with 2 or 4 perfect strangers, another set. The ruling allows law enforcement to use their own judgment and common sense.
154 posted on 12/15/2003 7:42:19 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: AdamSelene235
"You certainly wouldn't let three people with Uzis in their car leave because no one would admit the uzis were theirs," he said.

And, what, pray tell, is wrong with owning an Uzi?


If there is nothing wrong with owning an UZI why none of these men would admit being an owner?
155 posted on 12/15/2003 7:45:02 PM PST by JackTom
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To: JackTom
If there is nothing wrong with owning an UZI why none of these men would admit being an owner?

Well, for starters what if it was owned by someone else and they were legitimately borrowing it? Still legal, at most in most states. If the three people were borrowing the car from a fourth person who owned the Uzi and left it under the seat, the judgement of that fourth person would be questionable but at least in most states nobody would be doing anything criminal.

156 posted on 12/15/2003 7:54:57 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: ask
My heroes...

Thank you SCOTUS for rescuing us from that dreadful Constitution...

People have too many freedoms nowadays. Thankfully, they're being revoked on a near-daily basis now.
157 posted on 12/15/2003 10:11:27 PM PST by mansion (Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil...)
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To: OPS4
I always thought that drugs and driving dont mix. So arrest whoever if the drugs are there. Maybe then druggies will not be tempting non-druggies, then young minds may flourish.

This could happen on your block right outside your house - you MIGHT be involved - arrest you too!
158 posted on 12/15/2003 10:12:36 PM PST by Gigantor (You're in America now; SPEAK AMERICAN!)
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To: ClintonBeGone
>Just imagine what kind of "common enterprise" any pissed >off LEO could dream up during a traffic stop.

>Solution? Don't speed.

Better put a magic spell on all of your tail lights. Especially the license plate bulb.
159 posted on 12/15/2003 10:23:46 PM PST by Gigantor (You're in America now; SPEAK AMERICAN!)
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To: ask
The facts of the cases in these matters are really really important. Many times the dealers will deal in pairs. One has the money, the other the drugs. Other tricks are to keep the drugs close in a container and not "on the person".

Really the facts do matter.
160 posted on 12/15/2003 10:32:05 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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