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Regarding Freeper Obit. TrappedInLiberalHell and Depression
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Posted on 12/13/2003 5:58:47 AM PST by joesbucks

The problems of depression and despair.


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KEYWORDS: chatbait; clearitwithwidow; depression; despair; hehasnoclue; opuslist; thisisnews
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To: Clara Lou
No. I was never given the luxury. I have a family of nine to support; no time for depression.

I do believe that there are those who have a physiological basis for their depression. You were probably one of those. However, I am also quite convinced that there are MANY who have no physiological basis for their depression; they simply allow themselves to wallow in it.

I've been through plenty in my life to have the above 'tested', so I am speaking from experience that DOES count.

181 posted on 12/13/2003 9:30:09 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: sinkspur
One just has to get out of himself long enough to see it.

And therein lies the rub. Some suicidal people are so far gone, so far removed from reality that they can't see common sense any more, even when it's shoved right up under their nose. Not all, but some.

182 posted on 12/13/2003 9:31:22 AM PST by wimpycat ("I'm mean, but I make up for it by bein' real healthy.")
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To: sinkspur
Someone reading this thread who needs medication should feel absolutely no shame in seeking it.

Of course they shouldn't feel any shame in seeking medication. People take insulin, there is no diffrence.

Of course once symptoms are controlled (not cured) by medication one should also get counselling. This counselling doesn't have to come from sex-obsessed Fruedian or other secular humanist, of course.

Heck even the 12 step programs begin with "believe in a Higher Power"

183 posted on 12/13/2003 9:32:20 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: Lazamataz; Skooz
Skooz: My dad used to tell me that people who are happy all the time are "all in the funny farm."

Laz: I'm happy all the time.

I rest my case!
184 posted on 12/13/2003 9:33:37 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: sinkspur
Your failure to understand what I just said to that person is only more proof that you are a person to be avoided.
185 posted on 12/13/2003 9:35:15 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: ClancyJ
Like colesterol. Our lifestyle allows cholesterol to progress to a serious problem but the farmers led a life of hard labor that allowed the grease filled diet to be controlled due to the exercise.

I think the latest research shows that eating a low fat diet actually increases cholesterol, especially the bad kind. Google up "What if it's all been a big fat lie?" for more details.

186 posted on 12/13/2003 9:35:58 AM PST by Amelia ("We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo)
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To: ClancyJ
...it could be that the lifestyle of those times solved some of the problems we have today in a different lifestyle.

Bingo. We've made it too easy in modern society to meet basic needs. I look at all the obscenely obese people in the USA and wonder how they could NOT be depressed. Millions of years of evolution brought us to a point not all that long ago where life was dominated by work that was required to survive, and only the fit survived. When I was younger and always training for the next marathon, I often got a deja-vu type experience on long runs, a little voice that would say this is what God or nature really intended for you to be doing---running, walking, hunting, gathering, struggling to make it to the next watering hole. Didn't need prozac in those days as the brain was swimming in a bath of good chemicals.

On a related note, I like the opening salvo of Scott Peck's The Road Less Traveled that I paraphrase: Life is difficult. The more we accept that, the easier it's going to be.

187 posted on 12/13/2003 9:37:51 AM PST by Ben Chad
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To: RaceBannon; sinkspur
Your failure to understand what I just said to that person is only more proof that you are a person to be avoided.

Avoiding sink is also good for your mental health and for your soul as he is just to maddening.

Of course sometimes I fail at the task, myself.

188 posted on 12/13/2003 9:37:54 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: EagleMamaMT
God bless you all. I'm sorry I've written so much here, but I just wanted to tell you all what I've learned at Jesus's mercy seat.

Thank you for your post, EagleMama! Sometimes God is the only way back. I've been trying to rebuild my faith in God, and to remember no matter how bad it gets, God IS watching over us. Have a wonderful Christmas and New Year!

189 posted on 12/13/2003 9:42:22 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (I'd rather have dead rats in my walls, than Hillary for President.,)
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To: Ben Chad
I used to run all the time, and never once got that endorphine rush people speak of!!

And I was running 8 miles at a whack! (in 48 minutes, with a brick in each hand, too)

Now, in the same time, I only go 3.5 miles, but I still dont get no endorphine rush!!
190 posted on 12/13/2003 9:42:36 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: snopercod
A few miles from me, there is a run-down single-wide with trash and abandoned cars scattered all around. Pigs and chickens running free. I am really temped to take a picture and send out photo cards with it. Then add something like, "Pa is out of jail now and has finished fixing up the house. Ma can walk again, so she helps with the garden when she's sober..."

ROTF!!! I HATE those self congratulatory newletters! I have been so tempted over the years to send out something like that ;-)

191 posted on 12/13/2003 9:46:39 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (I'd rather have dead rats in my walls, than Hillary for President.,)
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To: joesbucks
Five to seven years ago, about this time of year, a troubled Christian man of about 40 from my church took his own life. He had his own business in a construction trade. We had played softball together a few years before, which I gave up when my knee blew out the first time. My first child was a year old then, and this man was single.

He and I saw less of each other as the years went by, but I knew he was around. He loved little children, of which I had a second and a then a third. He got engaged to a woman just a few years younger than himself and appeared very happy ... for a year or so.

Then very suddenly he darkened. I don't know if he had business trouble, debts, hidden substance abuse issues or "just" brain chemistry imbalances. We didn't talk stuff like that. My wife heard after this man's suicide that he wanted children right away and his fiancée did not want them at all. He may have abused her physically, and surely did so psychologically, laying the blame on her in his final dark days.

While we may share associations with people through work, clubs and even family or church, we may not be close. We may not have the kind of accountability and commitment to each other that allows us to share our weaknesses in confidence and hold one another's hands up, so to speak. If any of you FReepers don't find that kind of support here, then please make it a resolution to find it somewhere. The world is indeed swirling into deeper darkness, but the light of God is shining brighter and reaching farther still.

I went through my own episode in the year 2000. I was never suicidal. It was situational depression over a job loss in late '98. I got a new job almost immediately, but at a 1/3 cut in pay. My attempts to retool with IT skills seemed futile, as businesses began hiring freezes and experienced IT workers scrambled to fill slots ahead of me. I was working hard, studying harder, eating and sleeping like cr@p. On top of that was the tension of the pending election --or would Xlinton suspend transition?

I had been praying for some time for my father to be saved, specifically in my moments of anxiety about my career. And God granted this petition in September of 2000. I had a chance to visit him on a hastily arranged trip in early November. I left work early, voted absentee on Friday 11/3, and spent election week with my dad, mending some fences and getting to know him all over again. That trip set a lot of healing in motion for me.

Building accountability into my life has kept me more stable, though I have certainly not arrived.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

192 posted on 12/13/2003 9:49:00 AM PST by irgbar-man (solely responsible for this reply's content. Not endorsed by any candidate or group.)
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To: altura
I stuff my turkey with Refried beans.
193 posted on 12/13/2003 9:51:27 AM PST by chicagolady (Merry Christmas to all and to all a Good Night)
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To: ClancyJ
Thank you...that is pretty much what my doctor explained to me....I am now convinced that all of that is true...I am greatly improved. But darn, it is still hard for me to admit that I can not solve my own problems without drugs!

But I guess, in a way, I did solve my own problem by being open to finally taking them!!

Well...I am off for my 6 mile walk!
195 posted on 12/13/2003 10:03:32 AM PST by AlwaysLurking
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To: RightOnline
No. I was never given the luxury.
I wasn't challenging you. I simply wanted to know your perspective. BTW, the above is a questionable choice of words, don't you think?
196 posted on 12/13/2003 10:04:38 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: RaceBannon
I used to run all the time, and never once got that endorphine rush people speak of!! And I was running 8 miles at a whack! (in 48 minutes, with a brick in each hand, too) Now, in the same time, I only go 3.5 miles, but I still dont get no endorphine rush!!

The image of bricks brings a chuckle. And I hear ya about 8 vs. 3.5 miles --- sounds about like me. I never got a rush, per se, but after prolonged inactivity (such as after spine surgery), I notice a difference, like there's a build-up of toxicity. The best rush was the half gallon of ice cream consumed at one sitting knowing that I'd burn it off the next morning.

197 posted on 12/13/2003 10:04:39 AM PST by Ben Chad
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To: chicagolady
I stuff my turkey with Refried beans.

ROFLPIMP!

198 posted on 12/13/2003 10:07:08 AM PST by snopercod (The federal government will spend $21,000 per household in 2003, up from $16,000 in 1999.)
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To: IronJack
I would suggest that it is normal for ALL people to feel doubt, and that your despair arises from that doubt. The human mind has a great capacity for playing "what if" games with itself.
But faith defeats doubt. And the consolation for doubters is in the Bible.

Yes, many people find both strength and comfort from their religious beliefs.
But the doubt itself arises from the realization that the "real world" is not the way it is "supposed to be".
I don't know why some people are better able to cope with this disparity better than others.
Apparently there are biochemical/medical factors that at least have some influence over that.
But I think we should not ignore the cultural influences that brainwash us into measuring ourselves by unrealistic expectations. What we view on TV isn't real, and we shouldn't expect that our lives will follow the "exciting" and "entertaining" lifestyles that are portrayed.

199 posted on 12/13/2003 10:07:09 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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