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You're taking stereotypes and projecting them onto all (or most) women.

Yes, I am. Because a stereotype is usually based on a fundamental truth. That is why it is a stereotype; it's a generalization that 'generally speaking' is true.

It may come as a surprise, but intelligent, mature women look for a HELL of a lot more in a guy than his looks and wallet.

Sure, let's look around us. How many rich men do you notice with dumpy, fat wives? How many rock stars are in relationships with unattractive women? I don't make the rules, I just report what I see with my own eyes. And typically, the attractive women want to be around men they perceive to be wealthy and powerful. Consider Bill Clinton and his list of conquests. Is Bill Clinton in any way remarkably attractive, or is the power and wealth he commands?

Most sentient women past their mid-20s have gotten over the "bad boys" and gravitate to real men.

Good point. After these women have 'had their fun', but now realize that their looks are on the decline, and gravity has come into play; opt to settle for the 'good guy' they wouldn't have given a second though to a few years earlier .... gee, thanks.

You're taking stereotypes and projecting them onto all (or most) women.

Yes, I am. Because a stereotype is usually based on a fundamental truth. That is why it is a stereotype; it's a generalization that 'generally speaking' is true.

Sheesh! Why do you even bother if this is such a universal truth?

It may come as a surprise, but intelligent, mature women look for a HELL of a lot more in a guy than his looks and wallet.

Sure, let's look around us. How many rich men do you notice with dumpy, fat wives? How many rock stars are in relationships with unattractive women? I don't make the rules, I just report what I see with my own eyes. And typically, the attractive women want to be around men they perceive to be wealthy and powerful. Consider Bill Clinton and his list of conquests. Is Bill Clinton in any way remarkably attractive, or is the power and wealth he commands?

You think Clinton's conquests are attractive?! And as for all those questions, turn them around and switch the genders.

Most sentient women past their mid-20s have gotten over the "bad boys" and gravitate to real men.

Good point. After these women have 'had their fun', but now realize that their looks are on the decline, and gravity has come into play; opt to settle for the 'good guy' they wouldn't have given a second though to a few years earlier .... gee, thanks.

ROFLMCO! You *really* think that women in their mid-20s are on the decline, lookswise? Is your name Woody Allen? R Kelly?

And just what do you have to offer -- besides your obvious charm -- to women, that you can be so picky and refer to women in their mid-20s as over the hill, in terms of looks? And have you always been so mature and deep in terms of what you look for in a woman?

Excuse me, Hodar, but GUYS do that too! They "have their fun", then try to come back to the "nice" woman they wouldn't give the time of day before.

A few months before I married my husband, the man who was my fiancee in college, (the one who decided I wasn't white enough for him) called me and wanted me to come back, to marry him, etc. This was not the first time-right after my divorce (he was divorced, too) he and I started seeing each other again. But after a few months, I realized he still didn't like my ethnicity, and he also thought he deserved a wife who had a fancier job and made more money. He jilted me and married a lawyer-said marriage lasted less than three years, and his children disowned him. So when he darkened my door again, I let fly, and told him the only reason he thought I was good enough for him now was that he was too old and tired to go on another shopping trip for a fancier woman, and that he was still an arrogant ass****. I told him who I loved and would marry in a matter of months, and told him to go away and forget my name. He was so pissed that he left nasty messages on our answering machine for a month after the wedding. He still leaves ugly messages on my birthday and Christmas, and two years ago, he stalked me in my car over 40 miles of country roads at high speed till I managed to lose him. Sore loser. But women don't have a premium on that kind of behavior-I think guys do it more.

And in spite of the fact that I am far from young, my job is pretty physical at least three days per week, and gravity has been very good to me...