Posted on 12/11/2003 7:55:35 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
Great question. I am unaware of any significant 'mens' movement for any political, legal or custody issue. If they exist, they certainly do not get the press coverage that women's groups currently receive.
No, they inflicted everyone with it because it was politically convenient. We're all going to pay for it when (not if) it destroys the country.
I never really got into it, but I have worked for and with several family law attorneys and much of what you say is true.
As I have said I have seen both male and female friends of mine tken to the cleaners when getting divorced. I was fotunate that when I divorced there were no children involved.
But no one cares until it happens to them.
That pretty much sums up just about everything in life, doesn't it???
Alimony is harder to get because the man can deduct it off of his taxes and women have to claim it as in income and pay taxes on it. That's why it has been almost entirely replaced by the child support system. It's based on his pre-tax income, he can't deduct it, and the women don't pay a penny in taxes on it.
No one ever said I was desperate! If a woman comes into my life, then great! If not, then I am happy to have my privacy which allows me to do, among other things, sit on Free Republic for untold hours a week.
1 Corinthians 7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. 18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
38 So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.
39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
I've theorized for years that women divorce men for the same reasons they married them. It's just the same character trait turned around:
"Why did you marry him?"
"He had money."
"Then why did you divorce him?"
"He never spent any money on me."
"Why did you marry him?"
"Because he was an ambitious hard-worker."
"So why did you divorce him?"
"I never got any time with him. He was always at work."
"Why did you marry him?"
"He was so tough and didn't take crap from anybody."
"So why did you divorce him?"
"He beat the crap out of me."
I'm sure you can add more examples.
I am unaware of any men's movements endorsing and submitting bills that would cut their own throats.
I agree, but I also never saw and fighting these bills either.
And once you've twisted the insane ones into your version of domestic "saneness", you'll get bored, start complaining that you don't go out as much anymore, drink as much, dance as much (gee, could it be that keeping a roof over the head, maintaining that property, working to pay for the life/homeowners/car insurance policies, spending time with the kids and taking them to scouts, etc. is cutting into going out time?) start having headaches every night, never say thankyou for the massages he gives you, compliments he drops, flowers he brings you all the time, and so you'll start something with the UPS guy - the one who bangs every chick he can.
It's an ancient song and dance, which has varied little over the millenia.
Popular culture paints a picture that it is the men who are out cheating, and yet the truth is that if they are cheating with someone it's someone who themself is cheating. Cheating wives. Divorcing wives.
Rather than continue to be serially cuckolded, doesn't it make sense for a man to himself become a rogue male?
The answer is yes. Domestic bliss is a fool's paradise.
And I apologize if this sounds bitter. It is...and yet isn't. A door closes, many many windows open, etc...
Feast!
So what was it about your previous husbands that caused you to marry them in the first place?
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b) Nice, fun, caring and sweet - but also grossly overweight
Now there's a man who lives in Ohio!
I'm not what they're after.
You must not get out much. ;)
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