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1 posted on 12/10/2003 5:37:15 PM PST by blam
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"The First Europeans to Reach the New World"

By Gary Fretz

Q. With all of the new technology available today, we should be able to know precisely when the first European ships reached the New World. What is the latest news? It was a group of Vikings who made landfall around 900 A.D., right?

A. Wrong! It is now confirmed that a Roman ship reached Brazil around the year 19 B.C.! Here is the whole story …

Two thousand years ago, the most valuable commodity “known to man” was salt. This is because most fresh meats and fish were preserved by packing in salt. In fact, salt was so valuable, it was used in place of coinage. This is where the word “salary” emerged (as well as the expression “he’s not worth his salt”). The Romans had a large salt production facility on Ilha do Sal (Salt Island) in the Cape Verde Islands, which are 350 miles off the coast of West Africa. This location is directly in the path of the hot, dry winds of the Sahara Desert, which can easily blow 60 knots from the east.
It is believed that this Roman merchant vessel was heading for Salt Island to pick up a load of salt and to provision the local army garrison when a fierce Sahara storm started. Roman ships were clumsy by modem standards and would have no choice but to lower their sails and to run with the winds to avoid capsizing. The Sahara winds can blow for many days and the Salt Ship was carried to Guanabara Bay (near Rio de Janeiro) in Brazil.
In the middle of the - Bay is a large submerged rock lying 3’ below the surface called Xareu Rock (named after a local fish that congregates here). The ship appears to have been travelling at a high rate of speed when she struck the rock. She broke into two pieces and settled in 75’ of water near the base of the rock.

In the late 1970’s, a local fisherman using nets around Xareu Rock kept “catching” some large (3’ tall), heavy earthen jars which tore his nets. He mistakenly thought these were “macumba”jars, which are used in local voodoo ceremonies and then thrown into the sea. So, as the jars were hauled up, he smashed them with a hammer and threw the small pieces back into the water in an attempt to prevent tearing his nets in the future.
If he had only known what treasures he was destroying! In recent years, a scuba diver was spear fishing around Xareu Rock and found eight similar jars that he took home.
He sold six jars to tourists before the Brazilian police arrested him with the two remaining jars for illegally selling ancient artifacts. Archaeologists immediately identified these as Roman amphorae of the 1st century B.C These containers were originally used to carry water, grain, salted fish, meat, olives, olive oil and other foods necessary to feed the ship’s crew and to provision Roman outposts. One of the world’s foremost authorities on Roman shipwrecks, Robert Marx, found more artifacts and confirmed this as an authentic Roman shipwreck.
The world’s foremost authority on Roman amphorae analyzed the clay in the jars and confirmed that these were manufactured at Kouass which was a Roman seaport, 2000 years ago, on the coast of modem-day Morocco. The Institute of Archaeology of the University of London performed thermo luminescence testing (which is a more accurate dating process than Carbon 14 dating) and the date of the manufacture was determined to be around 19 B.C. Many more amphorae and some marble objects were recovered, as well as a Roman bronze fibula (a clasp device used to fasten a coat or shirt).

So, why haven't we heard more about this fantastic find? One would think this news would make headlines around the world… The short answer is “politics”. At the time the amphorae were confirmed to be "Roman", the large Italian faction in Brazil were extremely excited about this news.

The Italian ambassador to Brazil notified the Brazilian government that, since the Romans were the first to "discover" Brazil, then all Italian immigrants should be granted immediate citizenship. There are a large number of Italian immigrants in Brazil and the government has created a tedious and costly citizenship application procedure for Italians that does not apply to Portuguese immigrants. The Brazilian government would not give in and the Italians in Brazil staged demonstrations. In response, the Brazilian government ordered all civilians off the recovery project and censored further news about the wreck hoping to diffuse the civil unrest. The Brazilian Navy continues to excavate the wreck in secret.
We only know about it because of what Robert Marx learned before he was dismissed and what the University of London has leaked. This shipwreck may help explain some other intriguing Brazilian finds: - Several hundred ancient Roman silver and bronze coins were unearthed near Recife, Brazil. Did these once belong to the castaways of the Salt Ship?

- A tribe of white, mostly blonde haired, blue-eyed "Indians" has been found in a remote region of the Amazon jungle. Could these be the descendants of the shipwrecked sailors of the Xareu wreck? DNA analysis of these “Indians” will surely bring some interesting facts to light!

2 posted on 12/10/2003 5:44:48 PM PST by blam
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Ramones in Brazile?

Gabba Gabba Hey!
5 posted on 12/10/2003 5:56:56 PM PST by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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Reminds me of the fiction book "Treasure" by Clive Cussler. A good book.
7 posted on 12/10/2003 6:09:19 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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There was a brand of bread here in NY called "Roman Meal."
Supposed to be healthful stuff.

I liked one ad they had which they put up on a billboard next to an expressway that said:
"If the Romans had eaten Roman Meal,
they'd be chariots on this expressway today."
8 posted on 12/10/2003 6:10:16 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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Tiny Roman Bust Shows Pre-Columbian Contact With Mexico (with picture)

'Did Roman explorers discover America 1,300 years ahead of Christopher Columbus' was the headline on page 25 of the DAILY MAIL for Thursday, 10 February 2000. On the same day THE EXPRESS ran a story on page 28 under the banner `Oldest Latin in America: Bust may prove Romans got there first'.

Both stories sought to highlight claims being made in the new issue of the magazine NEW SCIENTIST concerning the recent realisation that a small ceramic head found in 1933 at a site in the Toluca Valley, 72 kilometres west of Mexico City, is in fact Roman in origin.(1) A dating process known as thermoluminescence, which determines the age of ceramics, has found that the tiny bust is approximately 1800 years old. How it might have reached Mexico is the big mystery. The implication, however, is that the head, which shows a full-bearded individual in typical Latin style, was introduced to the New World prior to the age of Columbus.

11 posted on 12/10/2003 6:30:47 PM PST by Djarum
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One for the Gods, Graves, and Glyphs list!
14 posted on 12/10/2003 6:41:49 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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Thos frisky Romans must have come for Carnivale!
24 posted on 12/10/2003 7:06:07 PM PST by breakem
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It wouldn't surprise me to find a Roman shipwreck in the Americas because it isn't necessarily evidence of trade. It could be a single lost ship or even a ship that was carried, empty, across the ocean only to eventually sink. I've read that one of the reasons why Columbus thought he could sail across the Atlantic directly to China was that bodies of Asian-looking "Eskimos"/Innuit would wash up on the shores of Ireland and other parts of Europe from accidents far to the North and West. Things that float get shuffled around.

More interesting would be evidence that they were moored or finding more than one or two together.

26 posted on 12/10/2003 7:15:30 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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interesting
28 posted on 12/10/2003 7:20:24 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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Blam, as I recall, Fate magazine ran a story about Robert Marx diving on this Roman wreck in an edition back around about 1982.

I've read three of Marx' books. "Shipwrecks in the Americas" and "The Capture of the Treasure Fleet" were excellent I thought. The one he wrote in the 60s about the Spanish Armada was a real stinker however :}

He must be getting kind of long in the tooth now--ahemmm. I think he was one of the team that worked the Port Royal sunken seaport site years in the 60s.

33 posted on 12/10/2003 7:38:06 PM PST by Rockpile
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Bump for easy finding later. Fascinating.
34 posted on 12/10/2003 7:51:21 PM PST by Ruth A.
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35 posted on 12/10/2003 7:56:22 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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And they, after all, were just pursuing the Carthaginians in order to stamp them out.
40 posted on 12/10/2003 8:55:22 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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49 posted on 12/11/2003 7:32:05 AM PST by msdrby (US Veterans: All give some, but some give all.)
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This reminds me of a find from that area that was published years ago. The main find was Roman style columns - sometimes used as ballast in ships around the 15th and 16th Century. Any pieces of amphora might also have been included in the ballast.
No ship parts were found - only the ballast.
64 posted on 02/20/2004 5:47:37 AM PST by R. Scott (My cynicism rises with the proximity of the elections.)
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Wow! I had heard something about Roman's being in Brazil during the first third century, but no the second third century!

Eerie

73 posted on 02/20/2004 11:39:52 AM PST by technomage
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The ship probably sailed through the Strait of Gibralta, got damaged in a storm, drifted into the North Equatorial Current, the crew died of starvation, the ship drifted into the Guyana Current and got beached off Rio. Yeh, that's what happened.
76 posted on 02/20/2004 11:52:57 AM PST by Consort
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If true, it's more likely a Gaulish ship. They were more comparable to the ships Columbus used.
77 posted on 02/20/2004 11:55:05 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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The Tartessians who built the so-called America's Stonehenge at North Salem, New Hampshire, date to the area of 2000 BC or earlier, so they trump the Rio wreck.

Yes, I studied that quite a bit when I was about 15 or so... Romans also on coasts of VA, Venezuela, up the rivers of Alabama, on the coast at Beverly, Mass.
78 posted on 02/20/2004 11:58:37 AM PST by Chris Talk (What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
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