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Whites and the Next Racial Clash in America
Time ^ | 12/05/03 | JACK E. WHITE

Posted on 12/05/2003 5:44:11 PM PST by freedom44

According to political scientist Carol M. Swain's unsettling new book, "The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration," the U.S. is on the brink of an explosion of white "tribalism" that could trigger unprecedented levels of racial antagonism and an epidemic of violence. The underlying cause: a swelling "white nationalist" movement fueled by simmering resentment of affirmative action programs like those used by the University of Michigan. "The book is a wake-up call to warn people that we're following a dangerous course by pushing identity politics and multi-culturalism," explains the Vanderbilt law school professor. "There's nothing special about the U.S. that says we couldn't have ethnic cleansing and violence here like in Bosnia or Rwanda."

It's shocking to hear such a dire prophesy from a scholar like Swain, who is rapidly establishing herself as one of the leaders of a new, increasingly vocal neoconservative brand of black political analysis that rejects affirmative action and reparations for slavery and holds blacks responsible for their own uplift. Until recently, most left-leaning black theorists derided her as a hopeless optimist. Her previous book, "Black Faces, Black Interests," ruffled many black politicians by dismissing their fear that a Supreme Court ruling that struck down the use of race in the creation of majority black congressional districts would be a disaster. Instead, Swain predicted, the ruling actually would be good for African Americans. As she foresaw, even in the Deep South strong black candidates were capable of winning enough support from whites to prevail in districts where black voters were outnumbered. She also argued that disbursing blacks into mostly-white districts could make it easier for liberal Democrats to compete with conservative Republicans by building multi-racial coalitions. Blacks "need more representation of their liberal views of policy than they need people who look like them" in Congress, Swain contended. Anyone looking at the toothlessness of the Congressional Black Caucus in the Republican-dominated House would find it difficult to disagree.

But, as Swain says, she "turned from a Pollyanna into a Cassandra" as her research into a book criticizing racial preferences made her aware of the spread of what she calls "the new white nationalism," a form of racial extremism more dangerous than the Ku Klux Klan because of its veneer of erudition and mastery of the Internet. Groups such as former Klansman David Duke's National Organization for European American Rights and the National Association of White People eschew the discredited notion of white supremacy. Indeed, they don't claim that whites are superior to anyone else and may even be inferior to Asians.

Instead they push the notion over websites, in publications such as Jared Taylor's "American Renaissance " magazine and through on-campus recruiting drives that all racial groups have unique interests and the god-given right to fulfill their destiny. They see themselves, as Swain has written, as "defenders of the legitimate civil rights of white people against what they allege are a host of racial double standards." In short, that affirmative action has made whites the most discriminated-against group in the country and that it can only get worse as a tide of immigrants transforms the U.S. from a white nation into a rickety Third World republic. The language white nationalists use to promote their insights is stunningly familiar to anyone who has listened to black nationalists like Louis Farrakhan — but that's not surprising, since the white nationalists appropriated it. As Swain observes, "the multicultural left has provided a language that works very well for whites who want to push white-identity politics," says Swain. "They say that if it's good for blacks to celebrate their heritage, it's good for whites to celebrate theirs."

What concerns Swain the most is such groups now seem to be finding an audience among mainstream whites whose gripes about racial preferences and high crime rates among blacks have been tuned out by white liberal politicians. Though she has no proof that the membership of such groups is mushrooming, their influence is being felt widely. Indeed, some of the rhetoric used by white nationalists is indistinguishable from the verbiage used by President Bush in his assault on the "quotas" supposedly used by the University of Michigan. "If we keep going down this road, it's going to increasingly pit racial groups against each other," she warns. "Some white people, who are otherwise good people, who don't hate blacks, are going to be pushed into the arms of these extremists if we don't change course."

Swain thinks there's only one way out of this bind: recognizing that whites have "legitimate" beefs about race that should be openly debated by politicians and scholars. She also believes we should immediately do away with racial preferences in university admissions, hiring and government contracts that not only fuel white resentment but send the message to blacks that they can't meet the same standards as everyone else. Swain's detractors say such steps amount to no more than a cowardly capitulation to racism, but she won't back down because she does not believe that blacks need the crutch provided by race-conscious policies. For Swain, a deeply devout evangelical Christian, such beliefs are not academic. Now 49, she went from being a high school drop-out and single mother in rural Virginia to a Ph.d and a chair at a leading university. "Somehow, we've got to embrace an American national identity that pulls us together instead of dividing us into warring camps," says Swain, "perhaps through a renewed emphasis on the Judeo-Christian idea of a common creator and the brotherhood of man." It's an old-fashioned idea that could prevent Swain's troubling predictions from coming true.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bookreview; carolswain; newwhitenationalism; preferences
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To: tinacart
And we could have a long discussion about how some do the work and others take the credit...

You may not find sympathy for that situation on this forum but you will also not find many that will say it is untrue...
301 posted on 12/06/2003 5:45:30 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
Been to Ramstein Germany. Weather very similar to Montana, Washigton, Idaho, etc. Being a Californian, the winters are a little to virtual for me. LOL!

Been to Texas too, didn't like the summers or winters. Hehehe.

Oceanside is nice, but was much better 25 plus years ago. It now looks like the rest of the big ant hill.

When I get rich like you, I would not mind Lake Havasu...

Lake Havasu is nice to visit, but again, I wouldn't want to live there. It's like Phoenix, it's not a temperature, it's an oven setting.

We actually traveled *all* over the western United States looking for the right spot some years ago.

After experiencing the long and sometimes brutal winters, obscene heat from Washington to Colorado, Idaho, to Arizona etc, we decided that the mountains and high desert of Southern California would be the best bet. Close enough to everything, yet far away enough to retain our sanity.

With me the LA/OC area is a love hate thing. So we decided that being within about 2 hours of the ant hill would be perfect Were just spoiled with the weather, as everything else outside the So. Cal area seems way too extreme to us.

Oh, and I don't know where you got the idea, but I can assure you, I'm not rich. LOL! Maybe someday, but not yet.

Good luck to you.

302 posted on 12/06/2003 5:51:23 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: dwd1
Michael Caine would agree with you
303 posted on 12/06/2003 5:51:59 PM PST by cyborg (mutt-american)
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To: cyborg
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304 posted on 12/06/2003 5:57:45 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Radix
Crap.


Finish reading the article. In typical leftist fashion, her conservative arguments are left for the last few paragraphs, so if you just read the begining of the article, you would say that she is a flaming lib.
305 posted on 12/06/2003 6:01:04 PM PST by mlmr (Postig with misspelings for ovr 5 yers)
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To: Clint Lippo
Typical liberal drivel from Time mag.Note she was described as a neocon.Parsing their jargon means that she is just slightly to the right of Al Sharpton.[Why are so many of the race hustlers in the dim party refered to as revs.?]

Not at all liberal. read the end of the article
306 posted on 12/06/2003 6:04:19 PM PST by mlmr (Postig with misspelings for ovr 5 yers)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
With Metrolink or a well maintained engine, all is possible....

And re: Lake Havasu, I would not want to test that theory of London Bridge falling down... :-)

And since you have been so kind, I will see what I can do to get you some Raid and some snake repellant for the problems we face when in LA... :-)

All the best to you...


And by the way, if you have your health, someone who would miss you, and someone who appreciates what you do for a living, and if you like what you see in the mirror in the morning.... You are rich.... as am I!!!!
307 posted on 12/06/2003 6:04:50 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
His wife is Brazilian. Gorgeous and they've been married forever.
308 posted on 12/06/2003 6:05:29 PM PST by cyborg (mutt-american)
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To: cyborg
That explains it!... He seems to have trouble crying in his movies... Seems he is a little too happy... :-)
309 posted on 12/06/2003 6:07:45 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: skull stomper
So let me get this straight, NOW white people are not only guilty of being racists in the PAST, and guilty of being racists in the PRESENT, we are going to be guilty of being racists in the FUTURE?

Gee, that seems "fair" and "reasonable".

Maybe the UN can help?

BUMP

310 posted on 12/06/2003 8:45:30 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: dwd1
"No good deed goes unpunished!"

Yikes, please don't contribute to my complete metamorphosis... My sister always says that to me - we are, after all - The Bundys!!! We didn't want to be, didn't choose to be, but I guess our number was chosen... As for saying "I've failed," as long as I still have breath I'll be fighting! Thanks for your response, and I'm hanging in there! Take care, Tina
311 posted on 12/06/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by tinacart ((I still hate hitlery!!!))
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To: tinacart
Blue skies...
312 posted on 12/06/2003 9:55:37 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: tinacart
BTW, if you look anything like Kelly Bundy, you will always be given another chance... :-)

And, yes, I know that Christina Applegate, Gracie Allen, Lucille Ball, Charro, and Goldie Hawn are quite intelligent... They simply made a good living acting like they were not... :-)
313 posted on 12/06/2003 10:00:41 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Dan from Michigan
LOL... *\;-)
314 posted on 12/06/2003 10:43:14 PM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Actually, in the suburbs, and cities, the stores and shopping malls would only last a few minutes, or maybe two hours, if that. Everyone would be thinking the same thing as you would. Get food, get water, get gas etc....After that, it would get very scary. In a major event, national financial collapse, major attack, a major terrorist event, all the stores would be stripped clean in a matter of one hour. Forget even trying to get fuel for the car. The lines would be epic.

This thread was more about what happens if racial ugliness spills over, rather than "end of the world"-type disaster scenarios.

In a "Farrakhan was just assassinated by a white Republican" riot scenario, I would rather be on my suburban block, surrounded by armed neighbors that any trouble would have to get past in order to get to me

316 posted on 12/07/2003 7:46:33 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Happiness is a belt-fed weapon)
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To: Clemenza
Italians in Newark stood their ground, for the most part. What exodus there was was due to upward mobility, not white flight. Ironbound was not the only section that stayed put.
317 posted on 12/07/2003 9:55:35 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Italians in Newark stood their ground, for the most part.

Yep. Same was true in Brooklyn and the Bronx. College educations and increasing affluence drove the children to the suburbs, leaving only the elderly behind.

White flight was a bigger phenomenom in East Orange and Irvington, though those towns had essentially lost their cachet for younger families by the 60s due to the "new suburbs" being built West and South. My dad still remembers however, that it was once a "step up" to move from Ironbound to Irvington, even though the latter today is just as bad as Bed-Stuy or West Newark.

318 posted on 12/07/2003 5:02:57 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: dwd1; cyborg
Jennifer Lopez (there is some black in her family somewhere! :-))

Yep. Her and 85% of all other Puerto Ricans are in violation of the "one drop rule." Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;-)

Clemenza prefers Colombians and Venezuelans, for looks AND personality, over any women in the world. I like Persian women, but they are few and far between.

OK, lets start a "woman of the world" thread (pictures please!).

319 posted on 12/07/2003 5:07:49 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: rdb3
Let's not forget the 1919 riots in Chicago, which began when a black boy (about 10 years old!) was stoned to death by a gang of poor Irish whites for crossing the "invisible line" on a Lake Michigan beach.

Interesting tidbit: on several occassions, the white rioters who ran with torches and clubs to lay waste to "Bronzeville", they didn't take into account that the blacks in those nabes, many just back from the civil war, had rifles.

One of the main institgators of the riots were an Irish gang know as "Ragen's Colts," one of whose members was a future Mayor of Chicago who would, ironically, count on blacks as his most loyal supporters. Richard Daley would always deny that he took part in the 1919 riots, but others close to him said otherwise...

320 posted on 12/07/2003 5:15:13 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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