Cruel Joke or Medical Anomaly?

UM List ^ | Tim Wilkins

[frgoff]

You really like Red Herring fallacies, don't you?

[xzins]

As with everything else, defects occur and decay sets in.

This appears to be demonstrable with birth defects wherein they've EASILY found genetic deficiencies, but is not the case with homosexuality wherein they have not found genetic deficiencies.

[RobbyS]

No one really believes that homosexuality is genetically based. The argument is simply thrown out to defelct attention from their real faith, which is that ought out to be able to what one pleases sexually.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Only a sadistic god would conceive and conduct such a horrific deed.

We know this not to be the case - Our God sent His only divine Son to accept the sin of mankind....so that we may know the Father through Him

You never read the Old Testament have you, if the story of Job is not a sadistic act(s) by God and the Devil on an innocent man and everything he cares for including his family, than I don't know what is.

In the Old Testament, God is portrayed as being less than a nice person, to say the least. Now on the other hand (in the New Testament) Jesus, not God, is really nice person, but God is another story.

[Paul C. Jesup]

No one really believes that homosexuality is genetically based. The argument is simply thrown out to defelct attention from their real faith, which is that ought out to be able to what one pleases sexually.

But there is some evidense that it can be traced to hormonal mix-ups during developement in the womb.

[Dad was my hero]

That's true, no genetic evidence has been found yet. Some studies have claimed to find evidence leaning that way and they've been blown out of proportion by the media and touted as proof but as yet no evidence exists. But like the color of your eyes, different things that happen on the genetic level that the genes haven't been found. I don't believe they will ever find it but I try to keep up on the literature.

I think that right now the homosexual lobby has things where they want them. They want the public to believe no one would chose that so it must be genetic and the scientific community not pursuing an answer to it because they don't want to change if it can be corrected. Right now Americans mostly believe it is genetic, end of story. If it were science would be able to develop a test for it to find the marker and you could test for several different markers to decide if you want to carry your baby to term. They don't want that. So they have the best of all worlds right now.

[B-Chan]

Descartes philosophy is crap! And very non-Catholic!

You’re right — but he wasn’t wrong about everything. He was right about the subjective nature of sensory perception , for example. One needn’t buy the whole loaf when a slice is enough.

Skepticism is common amounf young atheists: “Eff Ah cain’t poke et with a stick, et ain’t real” is their credo. Descartes took skepticism as far as it could go, and found himself face to face with the Almighty. While I do not subscribe to the philosophy of Descartes in toto, his status as a doubter who found God makes him an excellent example for modern-day doubters.

[Dataman]

if the story of Job is not a sadistic act(s) by God and the Devil on an innocent man and everything he cares for including his family, than I don't know what is.

You don't know what is. Like you, I once judged God from my own earthbound, selfish, myopic perspective, so there is hope.

If you read the book, you'd know that the devil complained about God's special protection that was keeping Job safe and prospering him. Would you call that sadistic?

God prevented the devil from killing Job. Would you call that sadistic?

The devil killed his family. Does that make God sadistic?

God caused Job to prosper even more and gain a new family. How is that sadistic?

Little men have been sitting in judgment of God for centuries. Unless they realize their mistake now, they will realize it when God sits in judgement of them.

[pgyanke]

There is no difference between the God of the OT and the God of the NT. It's our perception that is changed by Christ's teaching and example. He chastises those He loves to the discipline of their spirits. He calls all people to Himself, some of us need a bit of a push, though.

God isn't sadistic in His allowing the devil to pile punishments on Job. God uses infirmity to His own design. His own design is that we put our faith in Him and no other. Some people in this world are offered by God to us as examples of what to do and what not to do. All reap a reward for their choices.

In the end, Job was restored. It wasn't just because God was rewarding him for his faith, it was primarily as an example to others of the rewards to those who persevere.

[B-Chan]

adam_az: Measurability and detectability are the proof for fact of existence.

B-chan: Really? Please prove it.

I’m still waiting for that proof…

[xzins]

Actually, I'm very comfortable with a god being able to take a created thing's life.

Specifically, I'm comfortable with my life being in God's hands. But that really isn't my call any more than the steer's call when the farmer takes it to market.

[RobbyS]

Enough evidence for someone to propose a theory that can be tested? What we have got here is a sociological phenomenon which is unprecedented--so far as I know--in the history of the world: a community of homosexuals powerful enough to dominate our legal and political institutions. Of course, without the support of allied forces--principally the feminsists and the civil rights movment--it would not be so effective. As I implied gays share with all these communities a racially libertarian view of sexual practice. What has most disappointed me is that antinomian religious views have trumpted the efforts of many blacks to adhere to traditional Christian morality.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Male lesbian? Can not compute.

Oh come on, you've never heard of that before? It's a joke, son ;-)

[scripter]

But there is some evidence that it can be traced to hormonal mix-ups during developement in the womb.

Not that I'm aware. Many studies have been done and many claims made, and everything points back to environment. I think you might find this informative:

How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together

From everything I've read I'd say the above is a good summary of the issues. Also of interest: Homosexuality and Genetics.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Not that I'm aware. Many studies have been done and many claims made, and everything points back to environment. I think you might find this informative:

You should research genitial defects, some very interesting stuff. Some of those studies have some interesting things to say about homosexuality.

I remember a couple of months ago, a study post here on FR that linked a hormone defect with lesbianism.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Dataman: You don't know what is. Like you, I once judged God from my own earthbound, selfish, myopic perspective, so there is hope.

Sadistic actions are evil, no matter who does them.

God only made ameads when Job called him on his actions.

Pgyanke, There is no difference between the God of the OT and the God of the NT.

The entire approach of the NT is different than the OT, it is like in the NT they have forgot almost everything the happened before in the OT.

Xzins, Actually, I'm very comfortable with a god being able to take a created thing's life.

Xzins, Specifically, I'm comfortable with my life being in God's hands. But that really isn't my call any more than the steer's call when the farmer takes it to market.

Did it ever occur to you that God may not have the best interests at heart for you, me and the rest of humanity.

Total blind faith can lead you to a whole world of pain.

[scripter]

You should research genitial defects, some very interesting stuff.

I have done a lot of research on the issues, and each study that supports homosexuality is discredited, usually withing hours of it's release.

I remember a couple of months ago, a study post here on FR that linked a hormone defect with lesbianism.

While it's quite possible I missed one...if you have a link I probably have a link that discredits the study. The homosexual agenda is well known for fantastic headlines without any substance in the text.

[Paul C. Jesup]

I have done a lot of research on the issues, and each study that supports homosexuality is discredited, usually withing hours of it's release.

It all depends on who posts the study and who discredits the study. There are a lot of groups on boths sides that are very bias in their views.

The study itself it about fertility, but it does have some very interesting results: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/938085/posts

[RobbyS]

The entire approach of the NT is different than the OT, it is like in the NT they have forgot almost everything the happened before in the OT.

The story of the Bible is that of a progressive revelation of God, culminiating in his incarnation in Jesus. Even when reading of atrocities by the Israelites, don't forget what life ws like among the "heathens "of the time. I concede the differences between the Old and New Testaments. Christian heretics even went so far as to deny that Yahweh was the God of Jesus Christ, but the message of the New Testament is that Jesus was the deliverer expected by the Jews.

[Paul C. Jesup]

The story of the Bible is that of a progressive revelation of God, culminiating in his incarnation in Jesus.

The NT yes. The OT no. The OT is a story unto itself.