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'Turks killing fellow Muslims. What could be worse?'
The Independent (U.K.) ^ | 11/22/03 | Peter Popham

Posted on 11/21/2003 5:02:39 PM PST by Pokey78

The sky is a brilliant blue, the leaves are beginning to turn, the weather is warm all day with an agreeable crispness in the air as it gets dark: the nicest season of the year.

Ramadan finished yesterday, culminating, when the fast was broken at dusk, in Kadir, the first of nine nights of feasting, Christmas and Easter rolled into one: houses spring-cleaned, everyone togged up in smart new outfits, getting ready for the customary festive visits to relatives and friends.

And instead, after four massive bomb blasts in central Istanbul in six days, the mood, one resident said, "is surreal". If some people are cowering in their homes, enough are out and about to give a convincing impression of robust normality. This huge, ancient, dynamic city continues to throb with vitality. But a festive mood? Emphatically not.

Around the site of the blasts, it was instead one of raw anger yesterday. "These are Turks," said one woman, "killing fellow-Muslims, in the holy month of Ramadan - what could be worse than that?"

A jeweller, his business shattered by a bomb, said: "If we could get hold of the people who did this, we would tear them in pieces with our bare hands."

"It's not total panic," said Selin Alpauti, a journalist in the city, "because this is not new to us, we've had terrorist bombings in the past. And things are always going wrong in Turkey. It is not so much fear that is in the air as anger."

How the staff of the British consulate were taking it could only be guessed: all requests for interviews were rebuffed after an order came down to shut out the media.

Other British residents got on with their lives, vowing to stay put in a city whose economic vibrancy far outweighs its perils, at least for now.

But outside the British consulate in the city's traditional commercial heart, where 16 of the 27 victims of Thursday's attacks died, the mood of anger was palpable.

At shortly after 11 o'clock on Thursday morning, a lorry loaded with 500lb of explosives came rumbling down the narrow, shop-lined lane that leads to the entrance of the consulate, smashed through the steels gates and exploded, destroying the security guards' offices at the entrance and the consulate staff's temporary offices beyond.

The blast was so violent that many people in the city were convinced it was an earthquake, a perennial risk in Istanbul.

Yesterday the whole lane was cordoned off by police, and a small, sombre crowd composed mostly of men and women who worked in the shops' lanes gathered by the barrier and gazed at the devastation.

"I had just come out of the textile shop where I work when the bomb went off," said Mesrutiyet Caddesi. "I'd just turned the corner, it missed me by five minutes. One of our colleagues was killed, they're sending him back to his home town for burial."

Another man said: "I was having my breakfast when it happened. I thought it was a gas canister exploding, we all did at first. Yesterday we were all in confusion, today it's pure anger."

The man who worked in the jeweller's shop in the lane said: "We're not ourselves. We're doing everything automatically, out of habit. Anger is what I feel more than fear. One of my colleagues had an artery in his neck severed, she died from loss of blood. The whole of my life is under the rubble. I will carry this anger with me for the rest of my life."

Merlut Zeren, an accountant, said: "I don't know if we are going to celebrate the feast or not. Everybody is in a strange frame of mind. See these offices round here? They're all empty, people don't dare to go to work.

"The shopping malls are all empty, nobody wants to take the risk. I'm alive by purest chance myself - I was just down the street in a hotel when the bomb went off. I could also have been hit by the synagogue bomb [last Saturday], I go down that street four times a day."

Back-to-back explosions are one of the hallmarks of al- Qa'ida, if that is who was responsible. Killing fellow Muslims is an inhibition the terrorists shook off only recently. Go back a couple of years and there were many Muslims who argued that suicide bombings were unIslamic. Steadily there are some prepared to wind the ratchet, pushing back the limits of what they are prepared to do for Jihad.

But if the enemy is formidable, Turks, after their 15-year war against Kurdish separatists, in which 40,000 died, are neither innocent nor squeamish about terrorism.

Ten minutes on foot from the British consulate is the even narrower lane that houses one of the two synagogues blown up in last Saturday's atrocity.

As well as the well defended synagogue, the street is home to dozens of totally unprotected shops selling chandeliers and lampshades: hardly a piece of glass in the whole street survived the explosion. But one week on, they are getting back to business, banging together their shops, bringing in new sheets of plate glass for the shop fronts, with a display of manic energy.

There is a gritty, no-nonsense spirit of determination in this city that reminds one of anecdotes about the Blitz in London's East End.

If Turks regret the day their government became allies of the West, established diplomatic relations with Israel, became an important member of Nato and a close if often awkward friend of the United States - all of which turned them, eventually, into a natural target for al-Qa'ida - that is not what is on their minds this weekend.

Likewise they seem unattracted by theories that it was the war in Iraq that brought terror back to the streets of Istanbul. Despite having its first Islamist government in history, Turkey appears as firmly committed as ever to its own hybrid of Western consumerism and Islam-lite - "a synthesis of East and West" as Tayyip Erdogan, the Prime Minister, puts it.

Despite the stoical determination, Turkey will not be the same after these blasts: the armoured personnel carriers on the streets last night, the increased presence of troops, the air of repressed hysteria, all guarantee it.

No representative of a foreign government had been killed in Turkey for 20 years. Never has such a stark message been delivered to Turkey about its present course and its place in the world.

At central Istanbul's biggest public hospital, Thursday's bombs brought in 190 victims for treatment. Last night 13 of them were still being cared for, three of those in intensive care. Dr Suleyman Bayraktar, the doctor in charge, was on duty in the hospital a mile from the British consulate when the bomb went off.

"It was so loud," he said, "that I was convinced it was inside the building, directly above me. And everybody I spoke to, wherever they were in the city at the time, said the same thing: they thought the bomb was inside their own building."

And in a metaphorical sense it was.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: istanbul; ramadan2003; turkey; turkeytrouble
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To: mel
The Turks have been staunch allies of the US for years. Their warriors have stood beside ours in many fights.
21 posted on 11/21/2003 8:48:43 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: mel
I think it's less a Muslim thing than a Turk/Arab/Mideast culture thing.
22 posted on 11/21/2003 10:26:40 PM PST by Cacophonous (War is just a racket.)
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To: McGavin999
Any bets that the Turks will want to send troops to Iraq or possibly send there version of Special Forces/Commandos to "train" with some of our folks to go hunting humans?
23 posted on 11/21/2003 10:27:46 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 "reach out and thump someone " & .50 cal Browning "reach out & CRUSH someone")
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To: oyez
The Turks have a long,long history of destroying, not fearing,those who attack them.
24 posted on 11/22/2003 12:51:18 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Pokey78
'Turks killing fellow Muslims. What could be worse?'

How about radical Wahabbist a-holes killing fellow muslims because they aren't radical enough? That's how it's been for hundreds of years, but now that things change, see how they cry.

25 posted on 11/22/2003 12:58:23 AM PST by ovrtaxt ( http://www.fairtax.org **** Forget ANWR. Drill Israel !)
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To: superflu
The best thing that any headstrong people under psychological assault can do is to act as if nothing of significance is happening. As Turks go about their jobs and continue to party after work, perhaps with too much levity, the terror attacks will be shown to have no more effect than an earthquake.

My advice to people in istanbul is:

1) Get back to work.
2) Carry enough emergency rations on you and at home so as to make terror attacks against infrastructure such as transportation and power supply irrelevant.
3) Party. Continue to go to your favorite watering holes and nightclubs.
4) Have faith in the security services to hunt down these animals.
5)Treat this whole thing like it was just another earthquake and carry on. If you're a male register with the local draft board or whatever military conscription bureaucracy you have.
6)Don't blow up any mosques. These murdering bastards are not our teachers.

It would be much better if Turks could carry firearms as Americans do, but that's another argument.

28 posted on 11/22/2003 1:35:56 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Ban tag lines!)
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To: Cacophonous
Do muslims like anyone?
I think it's less a Muslim thing than a Turk/Arab/Mideast culture thing

I beg to differ, you only need look back to Oct 2002 and 180+ dead at Kuta Beach in Bali, Indonesia

29 posted on 11/22/2003 1:38:18 AM PST by XHogPilot
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To: Nick Thimmesch
"'Turks killing fellow Muslims. What could be worse?'

Nonsense: what could be better...enough said. "

Read the article. Then read something besides weird comic books. Look up articles and posts about Turkey at this forum.

You are so out of line here that further comments would get me banned. You owe an apology to the Turks on this forum.

Pus-for-brains. Ignoramus.

30 posted on 11/22/2003 1:56:41 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Ban tag lines!)
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To: Nick Thimmesch; Maceman; rabidralph

'Turks killing fellow Muslims. What could be worse?'


First let me express my disdain for Peter Popham, who titled his article with the quote of a distressed and obviously ignorant member of my nation. Peter you suck. But let me also address some of your responses to this terrible tragedy. You remind me of that disgusting bitch who we saw in pictures of Palestinian streets rejoicing in the events of 9/11:

Nonsense: what could be better...enough said. - Nick Thimmesch
Uh . . . Muslims killing Americans? - Maceman
It could be raining. - rabidralph

Since you people have no concept of who your enemy really is, a defence against terror designed by the likes of you is bound to fail.

It would seem, however, that your leaders have a better understanding of where the line between good and evil is drawn. And from where I stand, the three of you are on the wrong side of that line.
32 posted on 11/22/2003 9:06:00 AM PST by a_Turk (Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light....)
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To: a_Turk
Free Republic My Mail | My Comments | Maceman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Comments Brief | Full 'Turks killing fellow Muslims. What could be worse?' ^ Posted by a_Turk to Nick Thimmesch; Maceman; rabidralph On News/Activism ^ 11/22/2003 12:06 PM EST #32 of 32 ^ 'Turks killing fellow Muslims. What could be worse?' First let me express my disdain for Peter Popham, who titled his article with the quote of a distressed and obviously ignorant member of my nation. Peter you suck. But let me also address some of your responses to this terrible tragedy. You remind me of that disgusting bitch who we saw in pictures of Palestinian streets rejoicing in the events of 9/11: Nonsense: what could be better...enough said. - Nick Thimmesch Uh . . . Muslims killing Americans? - Maceman It could be raining. - rabidralph Since you people have no concept of who your enemy really is, a defence against terror designed by the likes of you is bound to fail. It would seem, however, that your leaders have a better understanding of where the line between good and evil is drawn. And from where I stand, the three of you are on the wrong side of that line.

I understand your point about the Turks not being our enemy, and I can accept that. But I was responding to the headline question, and I stand by my assertion that Muslims killing Americans is worse than Turks killing fellow Muslims. A lot worse.

And if your point is that Muslims are not the enemy of America, I have to tell you that I have heard an awful lot of Muslims who apparently disagree with you. And they seem to be have the loudsst voice, based on what I have seen and heard since 9/11.

33 posted on 11/22/2003 2:28:28 PM PST by Maceman (too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: Maceman
My opinion is succinctly summarized by a_Turk's post #32.
34 posted on 11/22/2003 9:16:47 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Ban tag lines!)
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To: Pokey78
Why did the Muslims get the works.
That's nobodys business by the Turks.
35 posted on 11/22/2003 9:23:42 PM PST by dfwgator (Seminoles are Gator Bait!!!!)
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To: a_Turk
http://www.cilicia.com/armo10.html
36 posted on 11/23/2003 3:35:35 PM PST by Nick Thimmesch
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To: Nick Thimmesch
Weak people shouldn't draw maps and make promises they cannot keep.
37 posted on 11/23/2003 3:54:34 PM PST by a_Turk (Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light....)
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To: a_Turk
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/encyclopedia/young_turks.htm

http://www.youngturk.com/
38 posted on 11/23/2003 4:22:35 PM PST by Nick Thimmesch
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To: a_Turk
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/slowtrain.html

Big-time negotiators, false healers and Armenian haters,
Masters of the bluff and masters of the proposition
But the enemy I see wears a cloak of decency,
All non-believers and men stealers talkin' in the name of religion
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend
39 posted on 11/23/2003 4:25:18 PM PST by Nick Thimmesch
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To: Nick Thimmesch
Is there a point to this stupidity?
40 posted on 11/23/2003 4:30:56 PM PST by a_Turk (Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light....)
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