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To: Huck; cyborg
Humor us. When you make a strong absolute statement about a woman a lot of people here admire, the onus is on you to back it up or take it back. Be a man.
54 posted on 11/18/2003 2:11:51 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
When you make a strong absolute statement about a woman a lot of people here admire, the onus is on you to back it up or take it back. Be a man.

What are you gonna do next? Call me chicken? Look, I am just not motivated to get into a discussion about it. It's really not that important what I think. I am pretty sure it won't make a difference on what you think. So why bother? Why not just let it be? Huck doesn't want Condi Rice to be president. It's not that big a deal.

To tell you the truth, I don't really know of any really inspiring leaders on the GOP side. I can't think of one, come to think of it. Maybe one will emerge. Could you list 3 GOP potential candidates that excite you? I seriously can't think of one.

56 posted on 11/18/2003 2:25:18 PM PST by Huck
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To: presidio9; kimoajax; Southack
You are all aware of my opinion: I believe Condi is much more than Presidential material. But that shouldn't be what is open to discussion here. The best post on black voting patterns in some time was given above, and it explains something about why Condi would do better than Bush did in 2000, but only up to about 15 to 18 percent.

Kimoajax pointed out, and quite rightly, that people like Rice, Powell, or J.C. Watts got where they got by going outside of the "system" within the Community. Thus, it is easy for the black leadership to convince black voters not to trust them, as if someone like Rice is an "outsider". Running Rice nationally would be much easier than running Jindal in La., simply because her opponent would be Hillary and HRC has negative numbers that Condi Rice will never see. Condi would win men and split the women, as well. But let's not get sidetracked. The fact is, Jindal was the better man, but too many backcountry white folks didn't feel comfortable with a "dark skinned" man. Thankfully, Jindal has a future.

Southack needs to understand that just by proving that vouchers work, for instance, or that Affirmative Action is a non-event, does not mean that black Democrats will get struck by lightning on the Road to Damascus. Remember Kimos emphasis on group loyalty and the role of the Civil Rights leadership in enforcing group loyalty. Reason, and the examples of powerful black individuals who have, Horatio Alger-like, broken from the group arouse suspicion and envy, as opposed to admiration and pride.

They will never demand of white Democrats that they prove that their policies haven't done more harm than good!

To expect that black Democrats will break out of the group gestalt mind within the next thirty years based on a sudden realization that Republican policies are more effective for the Community is a fantasy, one that only white Republicans could entertain.

Ignore "outreach" programs into the black community. Return at once to an insistence on individual liberty and the rule of law. Take what you can, but expect nothing more. After all, we would dearly love to win the black vote, but it is our souls we must hold dear, and they must be for sale at no price. To be blunt, there are other voting blocs in the electorate.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

71 posted on 11/18/2003 6:52:18 PM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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