Off-duty cop kills gunman (Chicago)

Chicago Sun-Times ^

[Petruchio]

Off-duty cop kills gunman

Police said an off-duty Prairie District officer shot and killed one of two men who tried to rob him as he walked home from a grocery store on the South Side on Saturday night. The armed men approached him near 69th and Crandon around 8 p.m. The officer, fearing for his life, dropped his two grocery bags, drew his weapon and fired, police said. Investigators said they recovered a weapon near the body of the suspect who was fatally shot. The other suspect was still at large late Saturday, and police did not know if he had been struck. The officer, who has been on the job six years, was not hurt.

[Don Munn]

The must carry rule is why most cops go to "cop shops" to drink after hours. They know who is in the bar.

[Petruchio]

It is easy to get nowhere when you argue for Animal Farm laws . . .

[1rudeboy]

The one "cop shop" I know is Dugan's on Halsted St. I've never seen a gun there . . . but you and I both know these guys are packin'.

[1rudeboy]

Riiiight. Did you get your law-degree by answering an unsolicited e-mail?

[Don Munn]

There is another one on the Northwest side in Norwood Park, it is a private club.

[El Gato]

i WANT cops to be armed off duty So does the original poster. He just doesn't want ONLY cops to be armed. That's called a Police State.

if illinois has a stupid law that says officers cant carry weapons off duty

I doubt that there is such a law. However there are laws, lots of them, prohibiting carrying a gun, and aparently there is no exception for off-duty police in the state laws. I say apparently, because I haven't looked it up. In most states, state law takes precidence over city or county law, with some exceptions, mostly having to do with zoning and traffic laws, but the exceptions are spelled out in state law, they usually aren't blanket affairs.

[Petruchio]

The must carry rule is why most cops go to "cop shops" to drink after hours. They know who is in the bar.

So, now you not only promote the idea that there are 2 classes of Americans, (Rulers and serfs). That the rulers can be armed when we serfs can't. And that Ruling class citizens can carry firearms while drinking.

Can they drive drunk with impunity too? How about when they rape our whimmin'? Where do the super-rights of the Ruling class end?

[Petruchio]

Bingo!

[1rudeboy]

You could always become a police officer and quit your beefin'.

[Petruchio]

Sorry, I am too honest to do something that low . . .

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

The outcome of your letter will be barring LEOs from carrying their weapons while off-duty...

[sweet_diane]

"Check City of Chicago Law and Cook County Law, Officers and Sheriffs must carry their weapon while off duty! Not state law."

If federal law overrides state law, then wouldn't state law override city or county law?

[1rudeboy]

Well, then. You could always lobby your state legislature to have the law changed. Too "low" for you as well? Imagine how many less knee-jerk reactions you'd have.

[Don Munn]

Illinois law does allow "home rule" exceptions for cause. In order for officers to carry out their duties, communites, townships, and counties can write home rule must carry laws into their local laws.

[coloradan]

Of course I don't expect courts to rule as you do, they are part of the government Lords and they protect each other. But, if it were true that guns in shopping markets, etc, are a menace to society and must be prohibited, then in order to be self-consistent, cops should indeed be ordered to go directly home and remove their weapons before doing any other things. If they don't, it just shows how two-faced the policies really are.

[1rudeboy]

People on this thread are having difficulty understanding the real issue, which is not which law "overrides" which, but rather how the courts have interpreted the exceptions in the absence of clear instructions from the legislature.

[1rudeboy]

Bunk. Cars a "menace to society," and they are regulated. You would argue that police cars must follow the speed limit when chasing subjects. After all, they must follow the same rules as us serfs, right?

[Don Munn]

The state legislature is never going to put a police officer at risk by overturning local must carry rules.

The must carry rules on police departments came about as the officer could be at risk if "bad guys" knew they were unarmed when off duty.

[MinuteGal]

Your veiled allusion to cops as pigs in your #23 lost me right away. I see you used to be Mr. Magoo here on FR. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Leni

[Petruchio]

Some pigs have more rights than others.