FOXnews: Black Hawks were downed with RPGS-12 KIA, 9 WIA

foxnews.com ^ | Saturday, November 15, 2003 | FOXnews

[Destro]

Just saw it reported on FOX.

[armymarinemom]

I've had family members die in all these "causes"

What "causes" have you lost family members from? Do you have family in the 101st or in country?

[Drudge's minion]

101st bump. :(

Prayers sent...

[Filibuster_60]

I'm afraid there's a good chance the perpetrators have been getting away in these attacks. Most are eventually rounded up anyway but the speed and surprise of these incidents makes it difficult to immediately nab the offenders. It takes a certain amount of professionalism to hit a chopper with an RPG instead of missing by at least a few feet, so these aren't angry amateurs who haven't had at least some formal training in guerilla combat. With even rudimentary training, many of their attacks and subsequent escape plans are premeditated. Again, human intelligence is absolutely vital and we need more of it.

[jeremiah]

Cite a source on the destruction of weapons, giving a total count and a daily average please.

[jeremiah]

It wasn't the steady drumbeat of negative reporting, that lost the war. It was the handcuffing of the military, that led to the disenchantment of the military. The inability to attack the supply lines, or take the war to the enemy, is what caused the constant drip drip drip of casualties. That led to a climate of receptivity to the negative reporting. If the war would have been fought to overwhelm the enemy, and destroy him, the negative reports would have been dismissed as treason, and the protestors would have been stoned(with real rocks this time) by the savvy and patriotic citizenry.

[maisyday]

Previous 101st and previous 82nd and as far as the causes from an entire family of military people (both sides) so you could pick your place - previous Vietnam, previous Korea, previous Kuwait, World War I, World War II, etc. Needless to say, special place in my world for all military people.

[sultan88]

..."more Marines & Navy personnel died on the beaches of Iwo Jima in the first hour of the assault than died in Gulf War I (Desert Storm) and in the Iraq conflict to date."

Thanks for putting this into perspective. This shows the enormity of our success in this war.

[EGPWS]

Cite a source on the destruction of weapons, giving a total count and a daily average please.

The NYT was one, via a FR posting and others have been VIA AM broadcast. I s'pose I could run a search, for it sounds like a very high number and I thought the same until I picked it up from different sources.

[mylife]

This drip drip drip of dead soldiers is getting old but thats media propaganda. Soldiers die in peacetime all the time. It is dangerous buisiness. just sleeping in the wrong place during an excersise can get you crushed by a tank.

The Bodycount is of concern of course because one dead american soldier is one too many, But we are winning. The only way we can lose is to lose resolve. GW said this will be a long term war, I believe it maybe 50 yrs or more, not in Iraq but on the whole.

Keep heart.

[mylife]

human intelligence is absolutely vital and we need more of it.

I know it seems slow in coming but our HUMINT is regaining strength.
Putting the military in the middleast surely will result in better HUMINT than we had previously.

[Filibuster_60]

Vietnam was lost before it even began as a major conflict. For political reasons - fear of escalated Soviet/Chinese involvement, attack routes through a third country (Cambodia) - it was decided from the get-go that the war wouldn't be taken to the enemy's ground. In short, the military was told to play a football game where it wouldn't be allowed to cross the 50-yard line.

[PISANO]

I only have ONE THING to say to all the naysayers and "GETTING TIRED OF IT CROWD". If you supported the WAR when it started........SUPPORT IT NOW!!! Stay the COURSE our GI's deserve NO LESS!

IF you didn't support the war then whine away and dishonor the brave men and women who have given it their ALL!!

[armymarinemom]

Previous 101st and previous 82nd and as far as the causes from an entire family of military people (both sides) so you could pick your place - previous Vietnam, previous Korea, previous Kuwait, World War I, World War II, etc. Needless to say, special place in my world for all military people.


Bles you or your family for service.

[Polybius]

1) Declare the WAR back on.

The only ones who ever declared the war to be "over" were the news media.

[mylife]

A question to Fellow Freepers: Do we need more troops or do we play politics and rush the turnover of power to the Iraqi's?

[mikenola]

I suppose you're right about the genesis of the problem. LBJ and McNamara's colossal ineptitude set in motion a firestorm of negative press and popular opinion that allowed the significant tactical wins of Tet and Linebacker to go entirely unnoticed by the American people.

In fact, some people feel that by 1972 our military goals were achieved in the sense that South Vietnam was a viable political entity. But when the democrats took control of Congress in 73, and withdrew all military and financial support for the south, the south promptly fell.

The democrats couldn't have gotten away with such an action without the steady (and untrue) stream of negative reporting.

It happened then and it could happen now, if people don't look at history, and instead get caught up the easy emotionalism of a historically low number of American casualties.

Heck , even Bin Laden gave historical precedent that the US would turn tail and run in the face of attack:

"We have seen in the last decade the decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier who is ready to wage Cold Wars and unprepared to fight long wars. This was proven in Beirut when the Marines fled after two explosions. It also proves they can run in less than 24 hours, and this was also repeated in Somalia. We are ready for all occasions ...

The Americans ran away from those fighters who fought and killed them, while the latter were still there. If the U.S. still thinks and brags that it still has this kind of power even after all these successive defeats in Vietnam, Beirut, Aden, and Somalia, then let them go back to those who are awaiting its return."

It was precisely this lesson of history that gave Bin Laden the guts to stage 9/11.

If the scumbag terrorists can learn the lessons of history, why can't we?

If we get too wrapped around the axle about 3 or 4 hundred casualties, and leave Iraq in the face of attack, we'll prove Bin Laden right (again)

[SevenDaysInMay]

I have yet to read or hear on ABCCBSCNNFOXMSNBCNBC

that our Afghanistan+Iraq combat deaths are nearing 15%

of our military and civilian men, women, and children

murdered on 9/11, an otherwise beautiful late summer morning.

Since then and in all probability, we shall forever be engaged in this islamist Terror War of annihilation, as perfected in Israel by "civilians", until Americans demand that this war be won, by our sovereign America. Until then, this is islam's war against our economy, and our hearts and minds, as PBS et al. remind us of our daily, weekly, monthly, yearly body count made famous and useful in the broadcast of LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin War.

Old Europe with Russia and China will sit back and watch as we're demoralized by our heartache and our socialist politicians' UN mantra.

A soveiegn America is a problem for the "world socialist movement's" fascist foreign and domestic leaders and islam alike.

The war between islam and the UN will be fought in the 22nd Century, unless we win this this war during this generation's opportunity, while we retain our sovereignty and liberty.

We must fight both islamists and socialists in this two front war. The DNC-Politburo wants us ruled by judicial fiat because their brand of socialism cannot be Constitutional according to our RATIFIED Constitution, the very one from which they derive any and all of their lawful powers.

Our very lives and liberty are the prize in this 2 front war. Our socialists believe that they can deal with islamists later, as if the Chelsea generation will be above the Sharia in addition to their "sovereign immunities", another convenient "compelling State interest" in the USSA.

We are never more than one election from losing on both fronts. Dar al socialism and dar al islam are both dangerous fascist doctrines.

[mylife]

A question to Fellow Freepers: Do we need more troops or do we play politics and rush the turnover of power to the Iraqi's?

My personal opinion is that while giving the Iraqi's their country back is important, instilling freedom is paramount. If we have to be firm with the ruffnecks in islam so be it! We must do what is necessary to bring freedom to the midleast. If that cant be done we need to do what we can to put "ears" in their house.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Good words!

[cars for sale]

ditto