The Dating Game (Terrorism by the numbers)

Various | 11/9/03 | WPTG

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Funny how Al Qaeda attacks on America always seem to coincide with key dates in U.S./Iraq conflict (among other things).

Just some food for thought... free of charge.

[buffyt]

November 9, 2003: I still HATE the Clintons!

[struwwelpeter]

So... if we make it past Wednesday we're good until February?

[buffyt]

September 11, 1990: President George H.W. Bush addresses a joint session of the U.S. Congress on the matter of Saddam Hussein and the looming Gulf War ("This is not, as Saddam Hussein would have it, the United States against Iraq. It is Iraq against the world"). This was President Bush's first major address on the issue.

I had heard that on 9-11-2001.... I wondered about it.....

[July 4th]

So... if we make it past Wednesday we're good until February?

Hmmm...that's what it looks like.

[cgk]

Anyone care to add their 2, 3, 4, cents/sense to the "dating game"?

[null and void]

Assuming we haven't missed any dates They think are significant...

[cgk]

September 11, 1922 British mandate of Palestine begins

September 11, 1939 Iraq & Saudi Arabia declare war on nazi-Germany

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

So... if we make it past Wednesday we're good until February?

Richard Reid attempted to bring down AA Flight 61 on 12/22/01 (which coincided with the end of Operation Desert Fox)... then there was the thwarted Millenium attack of L.A.X on 1/1/2000 (not sure of the significance of that date, aside from the obvious)...

The latest round with Iraq surely has provided the Islamists with a whole new series of dates to be commemorated with bombs and carnage... unfortunately, we won't know what those dates represent until after that fact.

[GatekeeperBookman]

I'll give us till the day after the election next November-they are crazy but they are not entirely stupid.

[bonesmccoy]

Correlations on dates is not interesting to me. The reason is that you can find correlation on dates for many things (including birthdays, national holidays, etc.) because there only a finite number of days in a calendar month or year.

So, naturally, dates will repeat. They repeat anyway.

Now, on the other hand, it is interesting that there are commonalities in certain dates. But, finding a rationale for such or a common thread may be stretching it.... I suppose the ultimate common thread for a monotheistic individual is that "God" is in charge... and hence the "supreme being" knows.

If you aren't a monotheist, then any number of religious interpretations can exist.

[Doctor Stochastic]

The Oklahoma City bombing was also on the same date as the burining of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. This seems a more likely connection.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

The Oklahoma City bombing was also on the same date as the burining of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. This seems a more likely connection.

Only if you believe that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone. I don't.

The Iraqi Connection

[ladyinred]

Ping

[ladyinred]

Very interesting. It seems the terrorists remember things very well. Wow.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Now, on the other hand, it is interesting that there are commonalities in certain dates. But, finding a rationale for such or a common thread may be stretching it....

It could be a stretch. But some things are striking here.

Tariq Aziz referring to the "April 19 end of the war" for example. Bush the elder's 9/11/90 address is obviously another. And the 93 WTC bombing on the annivsary of Hussein withdrawl from Kuwait.

None of this is hard evidence of anything. What it is, to me, is a small part of the mosaic that is the case against Saddam Hussein.

[JohnBerger]

I have a 15,000-word, 20-year timeline so after a while, the date correspondences really start to pile up. However, I do have a few favorites:

-- On Sept. 12, 1994, al Qaeda paymaster Mohamed Bayazid (later accused by the U.S. government for attempting to obtain components of a “dirty bomb”) applies for a driver’s license in Illinois, listing Benevolence International Foundation’s offices as his home address. (BIF indictment)

-- "Beginning on or about September 13, 1994 and continuing thereafter until on or about April 19, 1995, at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, in the Western District of Oklahoma and elsewhere, TIMOTHY JAMES MCVEIGH AND TERRY LYNN NICHOLS, the defendants herein, did knowingly, intentionally, willfully and maliciously conspire, combine and agree together and with others unknown to the Grand Jury to use a weapon of mass destruction" against the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. (Federal indictment)

-- “Beginning on or after September 13, 1994, defendant [Enaam] Arnaout and his (al Qaeda) co-conspirators (in Chicago and Florida) agreed to provide and attempt to provide material support and resources to persons, groups and organizations engaged in violent activities.” (Arnaout indictment)

-- In September 1994, Ramzi Yousef arrives in the Philippines with orders from Osama bin Laden to begin staging attacks against the U.S. (et al sources)

And the following:

-- On Nov. 3, 1994, Ramzi Yousef and Wali Khan Amin Shah apply for final visas to the Philippines. ("1000 Years for Revenge," by Peter Lance, confirmed via US v Yousef)

On Nov. 4, 1994, Terry Nichols applied for visa to enter the Philippines in Chicago. (1000 Years)

And one last:

-- (Ramzi Yousef's) "Operation Bojinka was scheduled to go forward just two weeks later on January 21 (1995). Apparently a plan was also found for a second phase of attacks." (The Cell, John Miller, Michael Stone) Jan. 21 date also confirmed in "The New Jackals". Bojinka was scheduled to launch 2 weeks after a Jan. 5 apartment fire invovling Yousef (various, US v Yousef, other testimony).

-- Marife Nichols testified that Nichols’ Philippines stay was on a “59 days visa so he stayed 59 days." (Nichols trial). Nichols visa is confirmed to have expired on January 21, 1995, although he actually left five days earlier. (US v Nichols).

jmb

[JohnBerger]

While I don't believe Nichols and McVeigh acted alone ( amply demonstrated by my site, http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com ), I do believe the April 19 date was chosen for Waco and no other reason. There is an overwhelming mountain of evidence that Waco, and anger over Waco, form a continuous thread throughout the lives of Nichols and McVeigh. I don't see a compelling reason to look further for that particular aspect of the story.

jmb

[cgk]

Is your timeline online? And yes, the dates do really make you wonder after awhile.

Here are 2 that I find interesting:

June 14, 1985 - Mugniyah (FBI most wanted terrorist, responsible for most American deaths before 9.11), along with fellow Muslims (Hizbollah) hijacks TWA Flight 847 plane in Athens, killing a Navy sailor and dumps his body on the tarmac. Never caught.

June 14, 2002 - US Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan is bombed by Al Qaeda. 11 are killed.

Mugniyah is reported to have left Iran and headed into Iraq where he is believed to be responsible for recent attacks on our troops, as well as the bombing of the mosque in Najaf (?).

[JohnBerger]

No, my timeline is my exclusive thing. I've thought about publishing it, but it's really one of the most important things that give me any leverage working on the story. I may publish it eventually, but if I do, it probably means I've given up. ;-)

I have a better one for June 14, 2002.

June 9, 2002: Alleged dirty bomber and John Doe 2 lookalike Jose Padilla is designated an enemy combatant by President Bush, removed from the U.S. Justice system and transferred to miltary custody, where he is held incommunicado. (et al, media reporting)

June 11, 2002: State Department announces that Padilla's trail was picked up by the U.S. Consulate in Karachi, where Padilla had applied for a visa. (State Department)

June 14, 2002: US Consulate in Karachi is destroyed by an ammonium nitrate bomb on orders from Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who Padilla worked for, and a former member of Ramzi Yousef's Manila cell, which alleged to have OKC ties.(NY Times, Australian Media, Houston Chronicle)